Estro Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Computer Cowboy on twitter posts pretty good visual charts that makes it a little easier to visualize NFL data, and one he did today was QBs PFF grades when pressured vs. not pressured. Now I understand PFF is just one set of data pts, and there are many that take PFF with a grain of salt, which I get.......but this set of data kind of matches with what I'm seeing on Sundays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Yeah, he's not bad at all when not pressured, regardless of what that graph says 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 I would say that, Josh has to play better than year to date to beat the chefs, is a true statement. He has to lift his game closer to last season's play.... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 I can believe the Josh score. The WFT game in particular he was doing a masterful job of sliding in the pocket to avoid rushes before making great throws. He seems to be at his best when he's moving his legs and not just standing still in the pocket. I can't believe the Brady score under pressure. In the 2 Buc games I've watched this year (vs cowboys and at Patriots) whenever he has even a sniff of pressure he bails on the play and dumps the ball into the dirt 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 17 minutes ago, Estro said: Computer Cowboy on twitter posts pretty good visual charts that makes it a little easier to visualize NFL data, and one he did today was QBs PFF grades when pressured vs. not pressured. Now I understand PFF is just one set of data pts, and there are many that take PFF with a grain of salt, which I get.......but this set of data kind of matches with what I'm seeing on Sundays. Are you suggesting we put Cody Ford back in there? 1 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 The way to beat Josh historically is to drop into coverage and take away the deep stuff, and contain him in the pocket. Easier said than done, but if you can do that it burns him up to just take the short easy stuff. Eventually he tries to push the ball down field. Sometimes it turns into amazing big plays, though. So this makes some sense to me. Although he was pressured a lot week 1, and had to evade a lot of pressure week 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 29 minutes ago, Augie said: Are you suggesting we put Cody Ford back in there? Paging Bobby Hart Bobby Hart report to the Office 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted October 4, 2021 Author Share Posted October 4, 2021 The formula to beat Allen, IMO, while not easy, is to not allow him to roll right when under pressure. Your need your DE on that side to defend the width of the field and not allow him to get outside of you. You rush only 4 and preferably get a good push up the middle (I feel like Allen's footwork gets jacked up when he feels/sees the pressure coming right up the middle. Behind that you play a lot of disguised coverages and heavy zone. KC, has some of that secret sauce because Chris Jones is so dominant in the middle creating pass rush and our G play is by far the biggest weakness of our team, IMO. I'm hoping the Bills cooked something good up to play ball vs the Chiefs because facing them last year was a real kick to the gut, both times 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 1 hour ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: He seems to be at his best when he's moving his legs and not just standing still in the pocket. Can I move? I'm better when I move... 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Estro said: KC, has some of that secret sauce because Chris Jones is so dominant in the middle creating pass rush and our G play is by far the biggest weakness of our team, IMO. Jones is playing DE now in their scheme and not as dominant. Wonder if he will go up against Spencer Brown and Darryl Williams side of new O Line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Estro said: Computer Cowboy on twitter posts pretty good visual charts that makes it a little easier to visualize NFL data, and one he did today was QBs PFF grades when pressured vs. not pressured. Now I understand PFF is just one set of data pts, and there are many that take PFF with a grain of salt, which I get.......but this set of data kind of matches with what I'm seeing on Sundays. Teams know Josh likes to push the ball downfield. Arm arrogance. They’re flooding the zones and daring Josh to take the checkdown. Once Josh learns patience and take the checkdown, he’s really gonna take over the league. Maybe Daboll will start putting Lil Dirty or Beasley in the backfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 3 hours ago, Estro said: Computer Cowboy on twitter posts pretty good visual charts that makes it a little easier to visualize NFL data, and one he did today was QBs PFF grades when pressured vs. not pressured. Now I understand PFF is just one set of data pts, and there are many that take PFF with a grain of salt, which I get.......but this set of data kind of matches with what I'm seeing on Sundays. Pretty visuals can be engaging, but can sometimes hide important points. When I read this, I am asking myself "how are they defining pressured, how are they defining "kept clean, and how many plays fall into each bin for each QB?" It kind of matters. Also wondering what the data set is (eg this season, last season, last 2 seasons etc.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 2 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I can believe the Josh score. The WFT game in particular he was doing a masterful job of sliding in the pocket to avoid rushes before making great throws. He seems to be at his best when he's moving his legs and not just standing still in the pocket. I can't believe the Brady score under pressure. In the 2 Buc games I've watched this year (vs cowboys and at Patriots) whenever he has even a sniff of pressure he bails on the play and dumps the ball into the dirt I think Josh getting into rhythm isn’t necessarily competing passes. It’s guys making plays. He does a better job when guys are rolling. He doesn’t get hit by hitting a million curl routes with 2 YAC. He’ll get hot if Diggs takes a 5 yard pass for an extra 15. Or Singletary rips off 10 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 eh probably just not a large enough sample size of Josh not being pressured. 😢 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Rain probably didn't help though right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 "Data: PFF" That explains a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 If true a large part of the solution is to run on a defense that is sitting back. I just looked and saw we are 5th in NFL in rushing yards which is a great thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 2 hours ago, billybrew1 said: I would say that, Josh has to play better than year to date to beat the chefs, is a true statement. He has to lift his game closer to last season's play.... ...outside of the poor overall team effort in the Pittsburgh opening game, Allen has already won one offensive MVP. The other two games our offense put up 35 and 40 while we pitched shutouts. I would say he has elevated his game plenty. The rest of the offense has to show up, particularly the nastier more physical OL we started to see glimpses of against the Texans. We need them to pass protect better and open some holes for our runners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, WideNine said: ...outside of the poor overall team effort in the Pittsburgh opening game, Allen has already won one offensive MVP. The other two games our offense put up 35 and 40 while we pitched shutouts. I would say he has elevated his game plenty. The rest of the offense has to show up, particularly the nastier more physical OL we started to see glimpses of against the Texans. We need them to pass protect better and open some holes for our runners. cue spencer brown and ike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Beane knew Allen was better under pressure all along. That's why he's built such a porous offensive line. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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