Allen vs Wash D

[newcam2012]

Wondering if Allen plays poorly vs Washington will anyone be concerned? I know I will be. I think it's important that we see a better Allen this game. No more excuses.

[Buffalo716]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 24, 2021 by Buffalo716

[John from Riverside]

6 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Wondering if Allen plays poorly vs Washington will anyone be concerned? I know I will be. I think it's important that we see a better Allen this game. No more excuses.

***** dude.....scared get a dog

[Process]

The passing game needs to get going and Allen needs to stop playing like crap. Period. 

 

We are likely winning our next two games regardless, but if we take the team we saw the first two games into the Chiefs game in a few weeks, we are losing by 3+ scores. 

[26TrapDraw]

I’d also like to add that water is wet and the sky has a certain blue hue to it when the sun is out.

[JoPoy88]

Love how all the professionally, perpetually CONCERNED are already out in full force. 

[Warcodered]

Wait are you saying people think Allen hasn't played well? How is this the first I'm hearing of this?🤦‍♂️

[BillsFan619]

36 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Wondering if Allen plays poorly vs Washington will anyone be concerned? I know I will be. I think it's important that we see a better Allen this game. No more excuses.

So if JA plays well will that alleviate your concern or will you still be concerned thinking that him playing well vs. Washington was a fluke?

[Thurman#1]

He hasn't played poorly yet.

 

He certainly hasn't played up to his last year's standard, but he also has not played poorly, he just hasn't.

 

If he did play poorly this game? It's always a bit concerning when there's a game like that, but no long-term concerns over one game against an excellent defense, no.

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Process said:

The passing game needs to get going and Allen needs to stop playing like crap. Period. 

 

We are likely winning our next two games regardless, but if we take the team we saw the first two games into the Chiefs game in a few weeks, we are losing by 3+ scores. 

I agree!

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

Wait are you saying people think Allen hasn't played well? How is this the first I'm hearing of this?🤦‍♂️

How do you think he is playing?

[newcam2012]

58 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

He hasn't played poorly yet.

 

He certainly hasn't played up to his last year's standard, but he also has not played poorly, he just hasn't.

 

If he did play poorly this game? It's always a bit concerning when there's a game like that, but no long-term concerns over one game against an excellent defense, no.

With respect, I disagree. I think he has played poorly and they stats bare that out. I guess its a matter of perspective. Prior to the start of this season, I don't think any Bills fan would have thought Allen's numbers would be so poor. Of course, other factors are in play. Additionally, imho its pretty clear his mechanics are off, he's not comfortable in the pocket, and inaccurate. Perhaps a better word is underperforming. 

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

Wait are you saying people think Allen hasn't played well? How is this the first I'm hearing of this?🤦‍♂️

How do you think he is playing?

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, BillsFan619 said:

So if JA plays well will that alleviate your concern or will you still be concerned thinking that him playing well vs. Washington was a fluke?

That’s not how the concernitives work. The concern just shifts to another aspect or unit of the team that didn’t quite reach their arbitrary and ill-defined standards.

Edited September 24, 2021 by JoPoy88

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, BillsFan619 said:

So if JA plays well will that alleviate your concern or will you still be concerned thinking that him playing well vs. Washington was a fluke?

I would love to see Allen play well. I'd be the first to praise his play. I want the Bills to win and him playing well obviously increases those chances. I'm not here to be right or prove others wrong. It's nothing personal. I just don't know why it's sac religious to criticise Allen. Go Bills Go Allen!

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, BillsFan619 said:

So if JA plays well will that alleviate your concern or will you still be concerned thinking that him playing well vs. Washington was a fluke?

More specifically, I don't think him playing well would be a "fluke." He has a sample size last year of him playing outstanding. As a result, him playing well should be the norm and something we fans expect and deserve.

 

Why does being a concerned fan get so much criticism? Especially, if the concerns are valid, legitimate, and expressed in a positive professional manner. 

12 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

That’s not how the concernitives work. The concern just shifts to another aspect or unit of the team that didn’t quite reach their arbitrary and ill-defined standards.

Interesting. Is everything about the Bills unit at or above standards? Are there no areas of concern? Or should we just never talk about them? 

[JoPoy88]

6 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

 

Why does being a concerned fan get so much criticism? Especially, if the concerns are valid, legitimate, and expressed in a positive professional manner.

Interesting. Is everything about the Bills unit at or above standards? Are there no areas of concern? Or should we just never talk about them? 

okay i’ll try to answer you:

1. There is 87% of the regular season to go. I think any serious “concern” is premature.

2. Are there any Bills’ units at or above standards? Yes. The entire defense.

3. Don’t take it personally. A few years ago there was a small cadre of posters that griped all year, starting in the preseason. And they all used the same term - “concern.” So it’s stuck in my mind now. 

[RobbRiddick]

44 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I would love to see Allen play well. I'd be the first to praise his play. I want the Bills to win and him playing well obviously increases those chances. I'm not here to be right or prove others wrong. It's nothing personal. I just don't know why it's sac religious to criticise Allen. Go Bills Go Allen!

 

He may be God to some round these parts but there is nothing religious about Josh's sac

[JoPoy88]

10 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

 

He may be God to some round these parts but there is nothing religious about Josh's sac

hey no blast theming around here.

[BillsFan619]

48 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

More specifically, I don't think him playing well would be a "fluke." He has a sample size last year of him playing outstanding. As a result, him playing well should be the norm and something we fans expect and deserve.

 

Why does being a concerned fan get so much criticism? Especially, if the concerns are valid, legitimate, and expressed in a positive professional manner. 

Interesting. Is everything about the Bills unit at or above standards? Are there no areas of concern? Or should we just never talk about them? 

Thanks for asking.

 

JA isn’t above critique. And yes, he’s been in a slump to start the season (although he did look like he started to snap out of it in the 2nd half of the Dolphins game. Time will tell).

 

That said, it’s the overreach by some. As @JoPoy88 said, being concerned after two games is premature. Respectfully, I don’t agree with you that the concern is valid right now. Why? Because even the greats have games or even a few weeks in a row where they don’t look great.

 

You mentioned that the norm should be him playing great. I agree. That said, part of the norm is also expecting clunkers and even extended slumps from time to time without sounding the alarm. Last year, which we both agree was a great year for Allen, included about a month long slump for him. The key was that he was able to push through it and still win games.

 

Again, it’s normal for franchise players to have clunkers or go through slumps, it’s how they respond to them that makes the difference. JA has the motivation, character, work ethic and drive to push through this just like he has when he’s gone through it before.

Edited September 24, 2021 by BillsFan619

[JoPoy88]

20 minutes ago, BillsFan619 said:

Thanks for asking.

 

JA isn’t above critique. And yes, he’s been in a slump to start the season (although he did look like he started to snap out of it in the 2nd half of the Dolphins game. Time will tell).

 

That said, it’s the overreach by some. As @JoPoy88 said, being concerned after two games is premature. Respectfully, I don’t agree with you that the concern is valid right now. Why? Because even the greats have games or even a few weeks in a row where they don’t look great.

 

You mentioned that the norm should be him playing great. I agree. That said, part of the norm is also expecting clunkers and even extended slumps from time to time without sounding the alarm. Last year, which we both agree was a great year for Allen, included about a month long slump for him. The key was that he was able to push through it and still win games.

 

Again, it’s normal for franchise players to have clunkers or go through slumps, it’s how they respond to them that makes the difference. JA has the motivation, character, work ethic and drive to push through this just like he has when he’s gone through it before.

Completely agree 💯  and I’ll just add:

 

Anytime fans start talking about what they “expect and deserve” (deserve especially) my red flags go up. It may be foreign to some, but fans don’t “deserve” anything from any athlete. Get over yourselves.

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

He hasn't played poorly yet.

 

He certainly hasn't played up to his last year's standard, but he also has not played poorly, he just hasn't.

 

If he did play poorly this game? It's always a bit concerning when there's a game like that, but no long-term concerns over one game against an excellent defense, no.

I think it is both ways.

Fans are over-reacting

JA himself has said he needs to play much better than the past two games.

 

Post-game tape shows that Allen was rattled in game #1 and played within himself and milking the game to victory