Billsfanatic8989 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 (edited) Admittedly I'm a huge Bills fan. My happiness is dependent upon them winning or losing a game. I will get that out of the way. And no...Kelly isn't close to Brady's accomplishments. But it's a team game. But...I have Kelly ahead of him all time. Why? Kelly faced fierce defenders and wasn't bailed out by refs. Kelly was innovative. The K gun offense changed football. And lastly, Kelly didn't cheat. No spygate or deflategate. I know I am going to be laughed at by some. But are there any of you that put Kelly>Brady all time? My top 5 QB's ever: Montana Manning Kelly Elway Marino Edited September 5, 2021 by Billsfanatic8989 2 2 11 1 1 3 2 16 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 (edited) No. In fairness I never say Kelly play, before my time. But Brady > Manning. Edited September 5, 2021 by GunnerBill 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Brady willed his defense to hold the chiefs to 9 points in the super bowl. They couldn’t have done it without him. 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfanatic8989 Posted September 5, 2021 Author Share Posted September 5, 2021 Just now, aristocrat said: Brady willed his defense to hold the chiefs to 9 points in the super bowl. They couldn’t have done it without him. The Bucs could've had Haskins as their starter in that SB and won. They weren't losing that game. Especially with KC's injuries. 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 (edited) Sorry but I’m going to say this is wrong. Edited September 5, 2021 by Bangarang 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Sorry, being a fan is commendable, but reality must be a consideration. Kelly was great and accomplished a lot, but in the biggest moments, he fell a little short. Brady came up big in more post season games than anyone in history. 3 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soflabillsfan1 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Brady is the best to ever play the game hands down no debate. Not even close. 9 6 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 19 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said: Admittedly I'm a huge Bills fan. My happiness is dependent upon them winning or losing a game. I will get that out of the way. And no...Kelly isn't close to Brady's accomplishments. But it's a team game. But...I have Kelly ahead of him all time. Why? Kelly faced fierce defenders and wasn't bailed out by refs. Kelly was innovative. The K gun offense changed football. And lastly, Kelly didn't cheat. No spygate or deflategate. I know I am going to be laughed at by some. But are there any of you that put Kelly>Brady all time? My top 5 QB's ever: Montana Manning Kelly Elway Marino Didn’t you just start another thread where you said that you barely watch any games besides the Bills? Not that you were around to see any of them play in their prime. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Aren’t you the guy that responded to Josh Allen being a god with “Josh Allen needs to outduel Mahomes in the AFC Championship. Then, we can talk.”? 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 OP, look at my avatar name. I would think you would surmise how much I loved the real MGK and old enough to have seen every game along with the back end of Fergy’s. This is a bit over the top as you may be jaded by the Brady hate because he was the bully, and beat us for two decades. I don’t know how anyone can say that went and won that many SB’s is not the GOAT. That doesn’t mean I don’t prior to him think it was Montana, and I’m not old enough to make the argument it was Bart Starr. They did win 5 of 7 years of national championships in a very different league. Different times my friend. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Jim Kelly isn’t even top 10 of all time. Probably not even top 15. If only he could have won at least one of those Super Bowls.. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 This is tough because how do you define the 'greatest qb'? As far as Brady vs Manning for me....at their absolute peak of their career Manning to me was for sure better than Brady. Take longevity into it and it goes to Brady over Manning. And Kelly? I was happy the Bills had one of the top QB's, but even as a Bills fan I never though of him as even the best in the league during his time. Marino and Montana to me were better than Kelly for sure. As far as more recent QB's, Rodgers, Brady, Manning , Brees, Mahomes are all better than Kelly. That isn't saying Kelly was bad to me, I just think he is in a category a step down from the above....more grouped with guys like Favre, Rivers, Eli Manning, Rothlesberger, Elway, Russel Wilson and others. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv Levy Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Jimbo was incredible running that no huddle K Gun offense, but unfortunately Brady wins this debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Memories are short. When Montana retired, John Madden was all over anointing Montana as the best ever, and at that point (about 1999 if memory serves) maybe he was. Then there was a stretch where Peyton Manning was better than anyone ever. Brady was playing great at the time but Manning was better. Then Manning got hurt and got old, and some younger fans think the Manning of the last couple of years was all that the guy had ever been -- and at the same time Brady kept on going. You can make a good argument for any of those three as the GOAT. My opinion is that Montana and Brady both excelled in offenses designed to maximize their good points and avoid things they didn't do so well. Manning OTOH just went out and balled. IMHO Manning is the best ever. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Kelly played 12 years, Brady has been to 10 Super Bowls and won 7. I get the "fierce pass rush" argument, that is true, Brady would not still be playing if he played back then. But he would have what 4 SB wins or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: This is tough because how do you define the 'greatest qb'? As far as Brady vs Manning for me....at their absolute peak of their career Manning to me was for sure better than Brady. Take longevity into it and it goes to Brady over Manning. And Kelly? I was happy the Bills had one of the top QB's, but even as a Bills fan I never though of him as even the best in the league during his time. Marino and Montana to me were better than Kelly for sure. As far as more recent QB's, Rodgers, Brady, Manning , Brees, Mahomes are all better than Kelly. That isn't saying Kelly was bad to me, I just think he is in a category a step down from the above....more grouped with guys like Favre, Rivers, Eli Manning, Rothlesberger, Elway, Russel Wilson and others. I agree completely. Good analysis. And it does put the Brady v Manning comparison into focus. Manning peak five years or so were amazing. Brady continuing to win also amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 I never argue on Sunday 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Because of differences in eras ( rules etc) we can only go by the “ eye test” . Kelly was a great QB for sure, but not at the level of Montana, Brady, Manning et al. A couple better performances in SB’s would vault him into that discussion though. History has him a couple notches below those players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Utah John said: I agree completely. Good analysis. And it does put the Brady v Manning comparison into focus. Manning peak five years or so were amazing. Brady continuing to win also amazing. I might have thought Manning was better at the point Brady won his first ring but after that I pretty much always thought Tom was better than Peyton. Manning might have been the greatest football brain to ever play behind center but I don't think all those 1 and done in the playoffs experiences can just be dismissed. When the pressure was highest Manning often struggled to produce his best play whereas Brady got better in those moments. Who would I take to beat a 3-7 team in week 11 by a handsome margin? Peyton Manning. Who would I take to beat an 11-5 team in the Divisional playoff round? Tom Brady. Every time. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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