Brianmoorman4jesus Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 T. Jones absolutely is not worthy of a roster spot. If they used him as a KR or PR as well as the 3rd RB on game day…fine. The guy might be good at what he does, but not good enough to warrant the spot. This is a talented roster. Unless you plan to start giving him the ball here and there, cut him. 1 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 4 pm is taking an awful long time to get here. 1 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Indeed but nor is a starting gunner a good comparison to a 6th or 7th receiver or a 6th or 7th defensive end who is likely nothing but a backup all year. Kumerow had 1 catch last season (I know he wasn't here all year) but Jones made 6 special teams stops. Who had the biggest impact on the Bills winning? And I’m sure he forced a few fair catches, too. Jones is good. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't accept either of the bolded. Indeed to be clear I'd keep both. But Kumerow slightly more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Well that’s inconsistent with other posts you’ve made referencing Kumerow being capable of playing gunner (even though you felt Taiwan was better) I think he can. But I don't think he can do it nearly as well as Jones. It is a downgrade and one the Bills have no need to make. I might feel different about if we were saying it is a downgrade for a 23 year old we still have 3 years of club control on. But they are both 1 year players and Kumerow is 29. Edited August 31, 2021 by GunnerBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: 4 pm is taking an awful long time to get here. Ive heard it comes at the same time every day. I have kept up enough to verify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaFitz1 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) How about this - So the depth chart as it stands now and bold preceived to be safe: WR - Emmanuel Sanders, Gabriel Davis, Isaiah Hodgins LT - Dion Dawkins, Spencer Brown, Tommy Doyle LG -Jon Feliciano, Jordan Devey C - Mitch Morse, Ryan Bates RG - Cody Ford, Ike Boettger RT - Daryl Williams, Bobby Hart TE - Dawson Knox, Tommy Sweeney QB - Josh Allen, Mitchell Trubisky, Davis Webb, Jake Fromm RB - Devin Singletary, Zack Moss, Matt Breida, Taiwan Jones, Christian Wade (roster exemption) FB - Reggie Gilliam WR - Cole Beasley, Isaiah McKenzie WR - Stefon Diggs, Jake Kumerow, Marquez Stevenson Offense - 31 (counting Wade) LDE - Jerry Hughes, Greg Rousseau, Efe Obada DT - Ed Oliver, Justin Zimmer, Brandin Bryant, Treyvon Hester DT - Star Lotulelei, Vernon Butler, Harrison Phillips RDE - Mario Addison, A.J. Epenesa, Boogie Basham, Mike Love MLB - Tremaine Edmunds, Tyrel Dodson, Tyler Matakevich, Marquel Lee WLB - Matt Milano, A.J. Klein, Andre Smith, Joe Giles-Harris NCB - Taron Johnson, Siran Neal CB - Tre'Davious White, Rachad Wildgoose, Nick McCloud CB - Levi Wallace, Dane Jackson, Olaijah Griffin S - Jordan Poyer, Damar Hamlin S - Micah Hyde, Jaquan Johnson Defense - 34 Special Teams - 3 That makes 46 - Which are going to go in the next 30 mins? Edited August 31, 2021 by FlaFitz1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 RB Kerrith Whyte WR Rico Gafford WR Tanner Gentry WR Lance Lenoir WR Brandon Powell WR Duke Williams TE Jacob Hollister TE Bug Howard OG Jamil Douglas OG Steven Gonzalez OG Forrest Lamp OL Jack Anderson OL Caleb Benenoch OL Tyler Gauthier OL Marquell Harrell OL Syrus Tuitele DL Eli Ankou DT Joey Ivie LB Tyrell Adams LB Mike Bell CB Tim Harris S Tariq Thompson Latest list from NFL.com https://www.nfl.com/news/player-cuts-tracker-nfl-teams-53-man-rosters-for-2021-season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 We need better gunner analytics. 1 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said: T. Jones absolutely is not worthy of a roster spot. If they used him as a KR or PR as well as the 3rd RB on game day…fine. The guy might be good at what he does, but not good enough to warrant the spot. This is a talented roster. Unless you plan to start giving him the ball here and there, cut him. I won’t say he’s not worthy of a roster spot, ST is always important. But I don’t think he is more valuable THIS year over some of our roster decisions. I’d rather have Brieda as a tool for the offense than say Taiwan. I’d rather keep 7 WRs to keep Stevenson for return duties. I’d rather sign another OT after cuts. I’d rather keep an extra CB like Wildgoose. Etc etc. I have no issue with Taiwan other than I don’t think he brings enough to the table to make this years roster because of players we have at other positions I think are higher priority. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thandGoal Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: T. Jones absolutely is not worthy of a roster spot. If they used him as a KR or PR as well as the 3rd RB on game day…fine. The guy might be good at what he does, but not good enough to warrant the spot. This is a talented roster. Unless you plan to start giving him the ball here and there, cut him. Well I guess Beane thinks different. I will go by his decision over your opinion. (and it is not even close) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: You already said it’s not fair to talk about one catch for Kumerow given his short stint on the roster. And his tiny time on the team, he arguably contributed more to our record than Taiwan did over a whole season because Taiwan didn’t do anything last season another gunner couldn’t do. But Taiwan won’t ever make a play on offense. Your argument here is weak because you and I both know that Kumerow is fully capable to fill in for Taiwan as gunner (or others) with similar production there, while we also know Taiwan isn’t ever going to produce any offensive points, or even yards, during the season. If he does get released, hold off on your celebratory party because he's one of the vet candidates that can be released and not subject to waivers to put someone else on the 53 and then immediately to IR so they can be brought back if need be (as Joe B has predicted). And we all know Kumerow can do the job at the same level? What evidence do we have of this? I believe both Kumerow and Taiwan will be here. But it's ridiculous to cut someone who is going to play every game multiple snaps for extra guys at positions that will be inactive every week unless there's an injury. You have your opinion and that's fine. But that opinion doesn't match the words and actions of McDermott. You say he's overrated as a gunner and replaceable. McDermott says he's the best gunner in the league. That's a big part of the reason why you've heard so many people say it. So when you argue he's not, you're arguing against McDermott's own words. And he's the decision maker. So to me, that's a futile hill to stand on. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I think we can all agree the "Sources confirm: Josh Allen has made the 53-man roster" tweets are so played out. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Found one I would call about. 5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: You already said it’s not fair to talk about one catch for Kumerow given his short stint on the roster. And his tiny time on the team, he arguably contributed more to our record than Taiwan did over a whole season because Taiwan didn’t do anything last season another gunner couldn’t do. But Taiwan won’t ever make a play on offense. Your argument here is weak because you and I both know that Kumerow is fully capable to fill in for Taiwan as gunner (or others) with similar production there, while we also know Taiwan isn’t ever going to produce any offensive points, or even yards, during the season. I suggested earlier in the thread that it's really easy for fans to undervalue special teams, and this is a pretty good illustration of that... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I can't remember ever being this nervous a bout the last roster cut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said: If he does get released, hold off on your celebratory party because he's one of the vet candidates that can be released and not subject to waivers to put someone else on the 53 and then immediately to IR so they can be brought back if need be (as Joe B has predicted). And we all know Kumerow can do the job at the same level? What evidence do we have of this? I believe both Kumerow and Taiwan will be here. But it's ridiculous to cut someone who is going to play every game multiple snaps for extra guys at positions that will be inactive every week unless there's an injury. You have your opinion and that's fine. But that opinion doesn't match the words and actions of McDermott. You say he's overrated as a gunner and replaceable. McDermott says he's the best gunner in the league. That's a big part of the reason why you've heard so many people say it. So when you argue he's not, you're arguing against McDermott's own words. And he's the decision maker. So to me, that's a futile hill to stand on. Lol, I am fine if he makes the team, some of you act like I have an agenda against him just because I don’t THINK he will make it unless we open spot up through IR. And I have said MANY times he very well could make the roster and the IR trick is quite possibly the way they will do it. So let me say for the 100th time…I have NOTHING against Taiwan, I just personally prioritize some other players I feel will be on the 53 BEFORE factoring in IR roster tactics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Found one I would call about. Hmmmmmmm......... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Rocky Landing said: I suggested earlier in the thread that it's really easy for fans to undervalue special teams, and this is a pretty good illustration of that... That’s just it, I don’t undervalue ST’s. In the past I’ve been quite vocal about the importance of ST’s and all too well remember the horrid we trotted out year after year and screaming at the TV over ST blunders. The difference is I feel we have a really good ST unit these days, and don’t see Taiwan as irreplaceable. Funny thing is almost none of the people advocating for Taiwan have probably even noticed him in a game and are arguing his greatness over a comment from a coach. While he’s obviously a great ST player for us, this notion he is irreplaceable in that role is so grossly over exaggerated around here. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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