BillStime Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 If this nut job is praising Biden - you know it's the wrong decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 It would appear to me that these people want to live under Taliban rule. There's only so much that can be done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 15 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: It would appear to me that these people want to live under Taliban rule. There's only so much that can be done. I’m guessing it’s more likely that they have so little at stake that they don’t feel like fighting that hard to protect it. The entire country is nothing but dirt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 59 minutes ago, BillStime said: So does the entire GQP. What a mess. Hey Pee Wee. How's your Sunday going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Kabul has fallen. Every U.S. President, former and current, should be hanging his head in shame. - George W. Bush: for deciding that the attacks on terrorist training camps and the neutralization of the terrorist threat from Afghanistan wasn't the sole limited purpose of the operation. That had succeeded by early 2002. The war went on two more decades. And for distracting the U.S. military from the mission by engaging in a pointless war with Saddam Hussein's Iraq. - Barack Obama: for vacillating between withdrawal talk and surge talk. But in retrospect, probably the most successful (well, let's say "least unsuccessful") of out post 9-11 presidencies. - Donald Trump: for brokering a joke of a peace agreement with the Taliban (the Doha agreement) and insisting on departure on a date certain, allowing the Taliban to cynically wait out the American departure - Joe Biden: for finally carrying out that departure, either knowingly allowing the descent into chaos and retribution, or naively believing that the Afghan government/army could hold off the assault. My take on it: Trump kept our troops in not so much to avoid chaos, but to postpone chaos until after the election. Biden allowed this to happen right away, hoping the debacle will be largely forgotten by the time 2024 rolls around. What a mess. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted August 15, 2021 Author Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Kabul has fallen. Every U.S. President, former and current, should be hanging his head in shame. - George W. Bush: for deciding that the attacks on terrorist training camps and the neutralization of the terrorist threat from Afghanistan wasn't the sole limited purpose of the operation. That had succeeded by early 2002. The war went on two more decades. And for distracting the U.S. military from the mission by engaging in a pointless war with Saddam Hussein's Iraq. - Barack Obama: for vacillating between withdrawal talk and surge talk. But in retrospect, probably the most successful (well, let's say "least unsuccessful") of out post 9-11 presidencies. - Donald Trump: for brokering a joke of a peace agreement with the Taliban (the Doha agreement) and insisting on departure on a date certain, allowing the Taliban to cynically wait out the American departure - Joe Biden: for finally carrying out that departure, either knowingly allowing the descent into chaos and retribution, or naively believing that the Afghan government/army could hold off the assault. My take on it: Trump kept our troops in not so much to avoid chaos, but to postpone chaos until after the election. Biden allowed this to happen right away, hoping the debacle will be largely forgotten by the time 2024 rolls around. What a mess. Only question remaining...how to keep the military contractors busy and happy. Employment levels will fall. This is the biggest socialist program in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 36 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Kabul has fallen. Every U.S. President, former and current, should be hanging his head in shame. - George W. Bush: for deciding that the attacks on terrorist training camps and the neutralization of the terrorist threat from Afghanistan wasn't the sole limited purpose of the operation. That had succeeded by early 2002. The war went on two more decades. And for distracting the U.S. military from the mission by engaging in a pointless war with Saddam Hussein's Iraq. - Barack Obama: for vacillating between withdrawal talk and surge talk. But in retrospect, probably the most successful (well, let's say "least unsuccessful") of out post 9-11 presidencies. - Donald Trump: for brokering a joke of a peace agreement with the Taliban (the Doha agreement) and insisting on departure on a date certain, allowing the Taliban to cynically wait out the American departure - Joe Biden: for finally carrying out that departure, either knowingly allowing the descent into chaos and retribution, or naively believing that the Afghan government/army could hold off the assault. My take on it: Trump kept our troops in not so much to avoid chaos, but to postpone chaos until after the election. Biden allowed this to happen right away, hoping the debacle will be largely forgotten by the time 2024 rolls around. What a mess. The situation changed when China started WWIII. Sorry that's just a fact. Mask up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 hours ago, BillStime said: If this nut job is praising Biden - you know it's the wrong decision. It wasn’t the wrong decision - Biden just bungled the withdrawal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 China wins: Whether withdrawal was the correct decision is a strategic question. The pressing tactical question that Tapper keeps asking is why was it done so incompetently? Why did we withdraw all troops weeks ago, knowing the risk that would create of a lightning Taliban advance, only to have to reinsert 5,000 this weekend to get American diplomats out safely before they were massacred by advancing jihadis? And just as importantly, why didn’t we start evacuating Afghans who had aided U.S. forces months ago? Biden should have made up his mind on Afghanistan by the time he took office on January 20. If he was committed to withdrawal, the order could have been given that day to begin evacuating Afghan interpreters and other allied agents. Instead, by leaving in a rush before they could be extricated, he’s left them to the mercy of jbarbarians. It’s a fiasco. “The puzzle for me is the absence of contingency planning: If everyone knew we were headed for the exits, why did we not have a plan over the past two years for making this work?” said retired general Douglas Lute to the NYT. Never mind two years; we could have hatched that plan at any time over the past 20. “As the bulk of American troops departed,” a former McCain advisor marveled to Axios, “there was no plan for securing regional base access, for the contractors that maintain the Afghan military, for training that military after the U.S. departure, for evacuating interpreters and helpers.” This is the result, with American diplomats still on the ground in Kabul: "Why didn’t it start six months ago? Americans can tolerate withdrawal from Afghanistan happily. They can even tolerate seeing the Taliban back in power. But they won’t tolerate the needless humiliation of having our diplomats chased out in a panic or the needless horror of seeing Afghans who trusted us to guarantee their safety betrayed. I mean, I hope they won’t tolerate it. But I don’t know. American voters have gotten used to national disgrace. What’s one more episode, however spectacular? “Nobody under 30 (35?) can even remember a U.S. foreign policy engagement that could be described as positive besides one off assassinations,” Tim Miller wrote this morning. “This is going to have cultural implications as we further retrench and decline.” https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2021/08/15/tapper-to-tony-blinken-why-did-you-guys-let-our-exit-from-afghanistan-turn-into-such-a-fiasco-n408995 Maybe the Pentagon has been spending too much time with investigating January 6th and diversity training to adequately prepare a withdrawal - which post Covid I would oppose - we look like such a cluster and absolutely a declining power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 34 minutes ago, SCBills said: It wasn’t the wrong decision - Biden just bungled the withdrawal. The end result was inevitable 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 minute ago, BillStime said: The end result was inevitable End result being Taliban control… yes. Saigon, Part 2.. no. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Hey Pee Wee. How's your Sunday going? Fantastic - yours? 5 minutes ago, SCBills said: End result being Taliban control… yes. Saigon, Part 2.. no. Should we have invited the Taliban to Camp David? Legitimize them like the last guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 3 hours ago, BillStime said: If this nut job is praising Biden - you know it's the wrong decision. Biden lost CNN but gained the nut job. Win! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 5 hours ago, SCBills said: I do enjoy the “bUt TrUmP tHoUgH…” Yes, Trump wanted to pull our troops out - it was long overdue - Doesn’t mean it had to go down like this. Biden is President and this is Biden’s withdrawal plan. Trump said the border was closed. Biden also says the border is closed. That clearly doesn’t mean they have the same policies regarding the border being closed. One was working. One is an abject disaster. As we can see, the answer to this abject failure of the Biden administration is that those who supported Biden now look to deflect blame over the last several presidencies. One of the common denominators, of course, is Joe Biden as a major political player through it all. The Taliban knew the only real concern with Biden in the White House was getting blamed for burning it down when he placed his keys in the microwave. But seriously—God Bless the true believers looking for the good old days of establishment politics. Tally so far: -Joe’s got a “great plan” for distributing the Trump vaccine, said plan being to $&@& it up. -Joe’s expertise in foreign policy and the relationships he’s forged over 5 decades reveals an incredible aptitude to be caught on tape totally misjudging a complex situation like that in Afghanistan. -Inflation rat$&$&ing the middle class. What a numbskull. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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keepthefaith Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Let's just call this what it is. We knew that if the Afghan forces were challenged, they'd drop their guns and run. We knew the Taliban would take control in short order. For good or bad this administration simply doesn't care what happens there going forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1426799374990942217?s=21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 6 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said: It would appear to me that these people want to live under Taliban rule. There's only so much that can be done. Well the government we propped up was incredibly unpopular. Eliminate that option and you’re left with either the taliban or the gangland chaos that pre-existed them. Before the taliban takeover you could barely call Afghanistan a country. Getting through a major city involved going through maybe a dozen checkpoints which required payment to a thug of whichever gang or warlord happened to hold that checkpoint. And if some gang or warlord kidnapped, raped, and killed your daughter because you couldn’t post protection that month, you had no recourse. At least under the taliban you might have some recourse. Assuming, of course, that the taliban weren’t the ones who, ahem, conscripted your daughter. So you can have Mad Max-ian anarchy or the taliban government. I can see why some choose the latter, though the taliban may offend whatever it is that constitutes my soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 #wheresbiden … but for real though, where tf is he!? Is POTUS seriously not going to say anything today OR tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Did they for real release this picture? Just now, SCBills said: #wheresbiden … but for real though, where tf is he!? Is POTUS seriously not going to say anything today OR tomorrow? That's the chatter I'm hearing that an event like today warrants a national address. Plus that photo is getting embarrassing. It might even be fake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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