Orlando Tim Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 6 hours ago, CaliBills said: agree, but if he has a break out year this coming season, he might ask for more. He is above average athletic freak that makes mistakes and was injured last year. two pro-bowls already, I think if we sign him now, it won't be warner money but close. Warner is a game changing type MLB, Edmunds is not there yet, but with a break out year could easily be. I agree with this so much it makes me wonder if I should root against him having a great year until the playoffs. If he is only great in the playoffs he is worth less right? Beane will have to work some magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: It's been very easy for some apologists on here to call any critique of Edmunds "hate". The tune will change if it's more of the same ol' leading up to either the signing of a second contract or free agency. You can't have a non-playmaker earning $19M per year.😄 You can say that again. Hate = truth. I have a feeling that many of the apologists will change their tune after the season if 49 doesn’t improve dramatically. 14-15M is one thing, but 19M+ is a different realm of cap space. Now that Warner is signed for 19M and Leonard will likely get the same if not more this situation has changed. Byron Jones was never the best CB in league, but he was the highest paid. Edmunds is in the same situation and one would expect that he’s looking to become the highest paid. You don’t have to be the best to be paid more than the best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 I'm thinking he would be a good franchise tag candidate eventually if he is eligible. If the Bills are looking for that extra year of confirmation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 31 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I'm thinking he would be a good franchise tag candidate eventually if he is eligible. If the Bills are looking for that extra year of confirmation. Yeah, I could see us franchising him if he shows slight improvement the following 2 years. If he shows regression, he shouldn’t be retained or traded. If he shows great improvement, I could see them signing him to a huge extension after the season. Either way, I think the smartest course of action will be to let him play out his 5 years and either franchise him (and possibility sign him long term), trade him or get compensatory picks for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, thurst44 said: Why wouldn't he pay him if he has a season like people expect he might. He's the captain of the defense, a leader: if he balls out and you let him walk in FA, that sets a terrible example for the rest of the team. You do have to let good players go sometimes--more likely that will be Poyer and/or Hyde as they get into their 30s, not a (then) 24 or 25-year-old, 1st round pick, head of your defense. They traded up to draft him ideally to lead their defense for the next decade. If he plays this year like he did in the Ravens game, then he'll be worth whatever the going rate is for a top 5 linebacker. If he plays closer to this year (which he was hurt often during), then maybe they let him go. At the very least, if they are dissatisfied, Beane will surely try to get something back for him. I was referring more to be the highest paid ILB in the league. He hasn’t shown he’s at that level. I think he’s good but not elite. Overpaying good players at the elite level gets you in trouble. Edited July 22, 2021 by Royale with Cheese 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Edmunds' agent will want a deal that puts Edmunds at the top of ILB contracts, and if he's doing his job as an agent that's to be expected. Those pro bowls give him legitimacy in wanting that much money, and if he hits the open market someone will fork over the big bucks whether he's worth it or not. Maybe Edmunds balls out over the next two years and is 1st team all-pro, if he does I'll be ecstatic. But I highly doubt that so to me letting him walk instead of forking over 100m+ for an inside linebacker is the easiest decision in the world. If he performs at the same level or slightly better as now I would tag him for a year though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Edmunds has elite physical traits, but his processor and instincts are average. I’d try to trade him after this year, barring a Josh Allen-like level of improvement. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said: Edmunds does have two pro bowls (I think) on his resume, but let’s be honest. We’d all choose Warner over Edmunds. With that being said, Edmunds will probably get around the same amount. TBH pro bowls mean nothing anymore. Tyrod Taylor made it to pro bowls... It's like a participation trophy. I do agree he will probably be looking for that amount. If he can take his play up one more notch he will easily get that. With him being so young still it won't be a waste of money as long as he can keep getting better. He is still the youngest on the team. Edited July 22, 2021 by TBBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: It's been very easy for some apologists on here to call any critique of Edmunds "hate". The tune will change if it's more of the same ol' leading up to either the signing of a second contract or free agency. You can't have a non-playmaker earning $19M per year.😄 The reason some on here call critiques of Edmunds hate is because so much of the criticism of Edmunds has been over the top and unreasonable, and you've been leading the charge on that. Not least with this insulting post, that as usual goes over the top and unreasonable on Edmunds. 6 hours ago, NewEra said: You can say that again. Hate = truth. Anyone who says "Hate = truth" understands neither. As for the OP, sure Edmunds will be after a contract like this. You'd expect him to be "after" a contract like that. He certainly hasn't earned it yet, and he's made it clear that he expects more of himself. This thread is a year too early. In a year he either will have put himself into the conversation for a contract like this, or he won't have. Edited July 22, 2021 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, TBBills said: TBH pro bowls mean nothing anymore. Tyrod Taylor made it to pro bowls... It's like a participation trophy. I do agree he will probably be looking for that amount. If he can take his play up one more notch he will easily get that. With him being so young still it won't be a waste of money as long as he can keep getting better. He is still the youngest on the team. I agree with most of your post here, but there's no comparison between Tyrod making the Pro Bowl and Edmunds doing it. Tyrod made the Pro Bowl twice, as a sixth alternate and as a fourth alternate. That's not what happened with Edmunds. Again, there's just no comparison there. Edited July 22, 2021 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 I think $19m per is too much for Warner frankly. And I think Warner is a fair tick better than Edmunds. So there is that. No. I would not pay Tremaine that money. 25 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: I agree with most of your post here, but there's no comparison between Tyrod making the Pro Bowl and Edmunds doing it. Tyrod made the Pro Bowl twice, as a sixth alternate and as a fourth alternate. That's not what happened with Edmunds. Again, there's just no comparison there. Edmunds first pro bowl was as an alternate though. Ironic because that was after his best season. His pro bowl nod last year as an original selection said more about the linebacker play in the AFC than it did about Edmunds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 edmunds can get that contract and perhaps a little more if he plays like he expects himself to play this coming season. if our DL can improve and give him better looks, he has all the tools to do so. if it's today, i let him walk for that contract (or even 20% less, frankly). it will all play out though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 7 hours ago, NewEra said: You can say that again. Hate = truth. I have a feeling that many of the apologists will change their tune after the season if 49 doesn’t improve dramatically. 14-15M is one thing, but 19M+ is a different realm of cap space. Now that Warner is signed for 19M and Leonard will likely get the same if not more this situation has changed. Byron Jones was never the best CB in league, but he was the highest paid. Edmunds is in the same situation and one would expect that he’s looking to become the highest paid. You don’t have to be the best to be paid more than the best. Leonard will get more than Warner. Then the question for the Bears (with Roquan) and the Bills (with Tremaine) is where do you fit those guys in. I don't think either of the first round guys have played as well as the 2nd and 3rd round guys but their contracts will come up a year later, the year the cap is supposed to properly rebound too so there is an inflationary factor. If either Roquan or Tremaine wants to reset the post Leonard market, then even allowing for inflation I would let them walk. Smith I'd be willing to go close to the Leonard money (though one year removed) but I don't know I'm comfortable slotting Tremaine in even at Warner money unless the cap really explodes and he plays better than even his 2019 season in 2021. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, JayBaller10 said: Edmunds has elite physical traits, but his processor and instincts are average. I’d try to trade him after this year, barring a Josh Allen-like level of improvement. That’s a good plan IMO. I’m not saying it (a big step forward) won’t happen, but I think we have seen what we are going to get from Edmunds. I think some team will convince themselves that they can fix his inconsistencies and still get his splash plays and that team will pay him large. If that happens then we should let him go rather than sign him to a top ILB contract. Then we can use that money elsewhere. Edited July 22, 2021 by BarleyNY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 11 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Are the Bills SB contenders without Edmunds? As of this minute? No. That said, they have him getting paid a high dollar contract already and could use that money to replace him with somebody who would not be a drop off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: That’s a good plan IMO. I’m not saying it won’t happen, but I think we have seen what we are going to get from Edmunds. I think some team will convince themselves that they can fix his inconsistencies and still get his splash plays and that team will pay him large. If that happens then we should let him go rather than sign him to a top ILB contract. Then we can use that money elsewhere. Dead on, he’s been an average starter with some athletic flashes. You don’t spend 20M in cap space on that. If he turns into the player the commentators make him sound like, great, pay him. If he is what he is, let someone else pay him. Remember Poz? Same type of polarizing player, I couldn’t have been happier that somebody else jumped on that grenade of a contract. People get attached to draft picks, it should be about performance. Our best LBs in years have been TKO and Fletcher, both signings, not picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Edmunds first pro bowl was as an alternate though. Ironic because that was after his best season. His pro bowl nod last year as an original selection said more about the linebacker play in the AFC than it did about Edmunds. Yes, a first alternate in 2019. Meaning best after Darius Leonard and Hightower, in his 2nd year. Top two last year, with an injury and with real problems at 1-tech, and still, losing to Darius Leonard and beating guys like Zach Cunningham and Schobert is not unimpressive. That is in no way anywhere close to what happened with Tyrod. I certainly agree that so far Edmunds hasn't yet earned a contract like that, though. Without question. But people consistently saying ridiculous things like "he's an average starter," and talking about "his bad play," are nuts and show he's one of the designated scapegoats among this fanbase. Edited July 22, 2021 by Thurman#1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 14 hours ago, boater said: The elephant in the room is the Josh Allen extension. No way we can do both Allen and Edmunds. Pick who you want to keep, pay the man and politely show the other one out the door. I know who I would pick. Seattle paid Wilson and Wagner. They can pay for both. The cap will go back up. That said my feelings on Edmunds are well documented. He has been given a pass for his bad play because of his age and injury. No excuses this year. He has to play much better to earn an extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Yes, a first alternate in 2019. Meaning best after Darius Leonard and Hightower, in his 2nd year. Top two last year, with an injury and with real problems at 1-tech, and still, losing to Darius Leonard and beating guys like Zach Cunningham and Schobert is not unimpressive. That is in no way anywhere close to what happened with Tyrod. I certainly agree that so far Edmunds hasn't yet earned a contract like that, though. Without question. But people consistently saying ridiculous things like "he's an average starter," shows he's one of the designated scapegoats among this fanbase. Zach Cunningham and Schobert are both overpaid too. EDIT: and worth saying both played on teams that finished way below .500. Edited July 22, 2021 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 25 minutes ago, DCofNC said: As of this minute? No. That said, they have him getting paid a high dollar contract already and could use that money to replace him with somebody who would not be a drop off. I would argue they are a SB contender right now if hw was off the roster or out for the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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