machine gun kelly Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: My 'superior' skills attempting to comprehend the 'YPA' concept: Missed it by that much! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 What these stats don't measure is what the running back SHOULD have done. For example, there could be a gaping hole that would lead to a 20 yard run, but the RB did not see it, got hit at the line of scrimmage, broke a tackle, and gained 5 yards. With these stats, that would look like a great run, but it was really a terrible play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Motorin' said: It seems like there are two main factors that could effect "yards above and beyond what was blocked." The line's ability to hold their block, and the running backs ability to get through the hole quickly while the block is held. A fast rb that gains 7 yards on a run where he was able to get through the line and encounter a tackler at the 5 yard mark seems to have gained 2 yards above expected. For the exact same play, with the exact same blocking, a slow back that can't get through the hole quick enough and encounters a tackler that shed the block at the line of scrimmage but gains 3 yards on the play would have gained 3 yards above expected. Not sure if I'm getting it right, but seems like the expected yards per block is highly variable based on the rb's capabilities. Technically how it works But every single running back has good burst in the NFL If we took the same exact play and it was blocked the same exact way.. and one NFL running back was able to bust out 5 yards without getting touched Even a slower NFL back would get well past the line of scrimmage with that kind of blocking.. maybe not 5 yards but at least 2-3 on a well blocked play It's one thing if you're making a guy Miss behind the backfield and then taking it for seven yards... Or just hitting a hole clean for seven... If you're able to just hit a hole clean for 7 in the NFL.. even a slower back will take it three or four.. he's not getting stuffed behind the line with the same exact blocking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Is that different than YAC? Yes because you don't need contact for a missed tackle attempt Somebody like Derrick Henry or Zack Moss will have a pretty good yards after contact.. shady not so much Shady will probably have a high created yards per attempt.. since he made a lot of guys miss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 19, 2021 Author Share Posted July 19, 2021 24 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Yes because you don't need contact for a missed tackle attempt Somebody like Derrick Henry or Zack Moss will have a pretty good yards after contact.. shady not so much Shady will probably have a high created yards per attempt.. since he made a lot of guys miss Oh, OK, that makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yikes. Well That's Real Clear Now (not) I was (once again) wrong. By the time this thread is over, it will be worse than the rules of fizzbin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 19, 2021 Author Share Posted July 19, 2021 43 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: I was (once again) wrong. By the time this thread is over, it will be worse than the rules of fizzbin. Actually, I thought @Buffalo716 explained it pretty clearly in about 3 sentences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 How much variance is there in successful jukes/attempted jukes? Gotta think that's a thing people look at. How much does this stat matter year to year? Moss is also a better zone runner, and inherent in zone runs are making a cut to avoid incoming contact, how is this accounted for in the metric (schemes may impact this)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Actually, I thought @Buffalo716 explained it pretty clearly in about 3 sentences. Some of us perceive better than others. 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 (edited) I'll take a stab at it. Yards per attempt (YPA) is simply total yards divided by total attempts or carries. Total Yards/total attempts But there's more. Looking at stats posted earlier in the thread there is something interesting that stood out. Zack Moss 7 games. 59 att 224 yards 3.79 avg YBC/Att- 1.7 yards 41st YAC/Att - 2.1 21st Att/Br - 6.6 2nd 8+D% - 15.25 32nd His Yards before contact is terrible, however we can blame the Bills poor run blocking oline for this. His Yards after contact is bottom 3rd in the league (21st) which is pretty average. What really stands out is he's 2nd in the NFL at breaking Tackles. He breaks alot of Tackles getting out in the open field driving his YPA up. In fact he's behind "Only Nick Chubb, Derrick Henry, JK Dobbins, and Dalvin Cook" So these stats mean he's a far better RB than what he gets credit for on this board. Edited July 20, 2021 by JakeFrommStateFarm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 9:38 AM, DJB said: @Hapless Bills Fan https://fantasydata.com/draft-advanced-metrics-rb-yards-created This should explain it better than I can. "measures all yards above and beyond what was blocked. Yards created are generated by the running back after the first evaded tackle. The number of fantasy points scored by RBs is highly dependent on the quality of play of the offensive line. Did the RB gain rushing yards before contact because of the OL? Did the RB have to create yards for himself? These are two questions that Yards Created can help answer. A back's vision, agility, play speed, play strength, and toughness will determine their effectiveness at creating yards." Essentially just another advanced metric when looking at and evaluating RB's. Fun tools. It sounds like a great question to ask: How many yards did the back earn on their own? But the way it is measured seems very subjective: "All yards... beyond what was blocked.... after the first evaded tackle." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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