CorkScrewHill Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 I wonder if this was picked up by the Bills, it appears that it is incredibly accurate and has been going on for years. "As pointed out by @theoashnfl on TikTok and explained by Joe Hoefling of Deadspin.com, Roethlisberger has a very basic yet very clear pre-snap tell, which gives away whether the next play will be a run or a pass." https://sports.yahoo.com/ben-roethlisberger-pre-snap-run-125226645.html You would think if it was well known they would have done poorly offensively (e.g., line knows to rush the passer / attack the RB, safeties and LBers can focus on coverage or run support). If I was a GM I would crowd source film review .. get the fans involved to look for these things on my team as well as the opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: If I was a GM I would crowd source film review .. get the fans involved to look for these things on my team as well as the opponents. This can go both ways and lead to analysis paralysis. That and how can you be sure your audience doesn't have ulterior motives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted July 14, 2021 Author Share Posted July 14, 2021 32 minutes ago, Kwai San said: This can go both ways and lead to analysis paralysis. That and how can you be sure your audience doesn't have ulterior motives? There are many ways to approach that, on of which would be to look for common themes (a system could do this) and then float the most likely to the top of the queue for somebody internal to the team to review. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 This reminds me of when Tannehill was in Miami and had a similar tell. During his pre-snap cadence, he would either say “Go Go!” or “Go!” before the ball was snapped. If I remember correctly, “Go Go” was always a run and “Go” was a pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 If you look close enough at any QB, many of them do similar things pre-snap. There are some games where I can tell right away from the pre-snap body language or body position whether it is a handoff or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: If you look close enough at any QB, many of them do similar things pre-snap. There are some games where I can tell right away from the pre-snap body language or body position whether it is a handoff or not. Rodgers sometimes forgets to snap his chin strap back on and every time he does it’s a run play lol Edited July 14, 2021 by blacklabel 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 If some weenie on tiktok knows this I’m pretty sure someone on the Steelers staff has also figured this out as well. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Didn’t P Manning say something similar about Josh prior to last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 34 minutes ago, TroutDog said: Didn’t P Manning say something similar about Josh prior to last year? Regarding his hard count, yeah. He always kept his hands up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 and why couldnt this wait to come out until AFTER we play them in week 1? Maybe the silver lining will be Ben being overly self-conscious. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: If you look close enough at any QB, many of them do similar things pre-snap. There are some games where I can tell right away from the pre-snap body language or body position whether it is a handoff or not. 1 hour ago, blacklabel said: Rodgers sometimes forgets to snap his chin strap back on and every time he does it’s a run play lol Yep, some qbs will not buckle the strap on a run... And subconsciously strap it up for a pass Some qbs Will leave the mouthpiece out for a run, and put it in for a pass It's like a subconscious thing that they don't even recognize 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, blacklabel said: Rodgers sometimes forgets to snap his chin strap back on and every time he does it’s a run play lol I heard the same about either Tony Dorsett or Emmit Smith in their rookie year. If his strap was unbuckled, he wasn't getting the ball. A coach finally noticed and afterwards their running game improved greatly. Edited July 14, 2021 by Wacka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: If you look close enough at any QB, many of them do similar things pre-snap. There are some games where I can tell right away from the pre-snap body language or body position whether it is a handoff or not. Was it Bernie Kosar who would sometimes have his feet even at the snap and sometimes have one foot back? One was a run, the other a pass. You’d think the Browns would have self-scouted that and FIXED IT. (Not positive it was him, but an important tell for somebody.) . Edited July 15, 2021 by Augie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: If you look close enough at any QB, many of them do similar things pre-snap. There are some games where I can tell right away from the pre-snap body language or body position whether it is a handoff or not. 2 hours ago, blacklabel said: Rodgers sometimes forgets to snap his chin strap back on and every time he does it’s a run play lol We have to remember that as fans watching the game, we often have better views of the QB and other things than the players do themselves. Not everyone on the defense has a view of the QB and can read his body language, especially when they are trying to focus on their individual assignments. Often your focus is on the player right across from you and how you will beat that player. So certain things that we pick up from our eye in the sky might take longer down in the trenches, but absolutely players pick up stuff like that. And I'm sure that there are coaches and personnel that are looking for those things and pass them on when they see them as well. 2 hours ago, maddenboy said: and why couldnt this wait to come out until AFTER we play them in week 1? Maybe the silver lining will be Ben being overly self-conscious. If it's anything like last year, they pretty much pass it every single time anyway. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Yep, some qbs will not buckle the strap on a run... And subconsciously strap it up for a pass Some qbs Will leave the mouthpiece out for a run, and put it in for a pass It's like a subconscious thing that they don't even recognize Wasn't there a baseball player who always adjusted his cap when he was going to try to steal a base? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 6 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Regarding his hard count, yeah. He always kept his hands up. It boggles my mind that it wasn't picked up by the coaches and corrected. Was no one in the building exposed to the Manning thing? It made me question the attention to detail of the coaching staff when the issue was discussed publicly, and it's something that's so easily correctable but nothing was done about it. I tried my best... Twitter and calling into One Bills Live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: It boggles my mind that it wasn't picked up by the coaches and corrected. Was no one in the building exposed to the Manning thing? It made me question the attention to detail of the coaching staff when the issue was discussed publicly, and it's something that's so easily correctable but nothing was done about it. I tried my best... Twitter and calling into One Bills Live Yeah. Thankfully, the hard count ended up working in the playoffs. I forget if it was the Colts or Ravens, but he got a DE to jump for a key 1st down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 10 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said: I wonder if this was picked up by the Bills, it appears that it is incredibly accurate and has been going on for years. "As pointed out by @theoashnfl on TikTok and explained by Joe Hoefling of Deadspin.com, Roethlisberger has a very basic yet very clear pre-snap tell, which gives away whether the next play will be a run or a pass." https://sports.yahoo.com/ben-roethlisberger-pre-snap-run-125226645.html You would think if it was well known they would have done poorly offensively (e.g., line knows to rush the passer / attack the RB, safeties and LBers can focus on coverage or run support). If I was a GM I would crowd source film review .. get the fans involved to look for these things on my team as well as the opponents. Like in the movie Safety where the running back gave away the call by tugging on his jersey. I wonder did a 10 year old kid who is a little brother see it on tape and let the players and coaches know hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 11 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said: I wonder if this was picked up by the Bills, it appears that it is incredibly accurate and has been going on for years. "As pointed out by @theoashnfl on TikTok and explained by Joe Hoefling of Deadspin.com, Roethlisberger has a very basic yet very clear pre-snap tell, which gives away whether the next play will be a run or a pass." https://sports.yahoo.com/ben-roethlisberger-pre-snap-run-125226645.html You would think if it was well known they would have done poorly offensively (e.g., line knows to rush the passer / attack the RB, safeties and LBers can focus on coverage or run support). If I was a GM I would crowd source film review .. get the fans involved to look for these things on my team as well as the opponents. I wonder the actual level of consistency. a guy not strapping his helmet is one thing. If Ben’s aware of the trend, he could start using it as a trick. They start selling out on it and suddenly he knows what the defense is doing and they think he’s doing the opposite thing on a big play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 is this a good time for my left foot jokes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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