Irv Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Governor said: I think term limits actually make the situation worse. Then you end up with opportunists trying to enrich themselves on day 1, since they know they can only serve for a certain amount of time and don’t care what happens. We have to move to a public financing system so officials don’t have to spend 95 percent of their time fundraising for their reelection and can actually serve the people in their districts. I would propose expanding House terms to 4 years and abolishing the Senate altogether. If you didn't have to worry about getting re-elected, you wouldn't have to fundraise. You wouldn't have to toe the party line on every matter. You might actually be able to work with the other side without fear of repercussions. I also think committee assignments should be random. That way you wouldn't get Cheney'd just for opposing the party line. Edited July 14, 2021 by Irv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Governor said: I think term limits actually make the situation worse. Then you end up with opportunists trying to enrich themselves on day 1, since they know they can only serve for a certain amount of time and don’t care what happens. We have to move to a public financing system so officials don’t have to spend 95 percent of their time fundraising for their reelection and can actually serve the people in their districts. I would propose expanding House terms to 4 years and abolishing the Senate altogether. I wouldn’t mind trying a 2-3 term limit for both House and Senate members...Seems to work well for presidents, maybe it could do the same for Congress... I’m also interested in seeing congressional salaries cut in half...they should be there to serve, not to enrich... And I’m open to hearing arguments for public funding for candidates running for office... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Irv said: If you didn't have to worry about getting re-elected, you wouldn't have to fundraise. You wouldn't have to toe the party line on every matter. You might actually be able to work with the other side without fear of repercussions. It just invites corruption. Get in, make a few changes that helps yourself, then dip out. Term limits sounds good on paper, but it wouldn’t play out well once everyone adjusts to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: I wouldn’t mind trying a 2-3 term limit for both House and Senate members...Seems to work well for presidents, maybe it could do the same for Congress... I’m also interested in seeing congressional salaries cut in half...they should be there to serve, not to enrich... And I’m open to hearing arguments for public funding for candidates running for office... Yeah, I’d be open to term limits as long as they aren’t too short. I don’t know where the sweet spot would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Governor said: It just invites corruption. Get in, make a few changes that helps yourself, then dip out. Term limits sounds good on paper, but it wouldn’t play out well once everyone adjusts to it. C'mon man! You don't think there is corruption now? How did Hunter become a multi-millionaire? Also, don't you think legislators like Pelosi, Schumer, McConnell have too much power. Term limits would strip that away so there's not four people running the entire Federal Government. Edited July 14, 2021 by Irv 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 The world is going to get run over by the technology it has created in the last 30 years plus what is going to be released in the next 20 years. Our social structure is designed as such that we are obligated to spend on average 8 hours per day engaged in earning money so we can have food, clothing, shelter, etc.. Not perfect but it kept most of society in balance emotionally among other things. Now technology threatens to up end that social structure. People who can't adapt to new technology or new skills will become isolated perhaps leading to anti-social behavior resulting in a spike in crime. I expect that some people will be outright left behind in a new world where menial skills become minimally important. What did I read recently in terms of a 3D printer capable of producing a complete home. Won't need carpenters, roofers, etc. and those are the professions that have people that do not readily adapt to jobs requiring more advanced skill sets. This will all be an issue first in advanced nations such as the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, Irv said: C'mon man! You don't think there is corruption now? How did Hunter become a multi-millionaire? Also, don't you think legislators like Pelosi, Schumer, McConnell have too much power. Term limits would strip that away so there's not four people running the entire Federal Government. All I’m saying is….be careful what you wish for on term limits. Now, if we’re talking about Chuck Grassley and people like that, then I get it. You shouldn’t be in there that long. These people have accumulated HUGE campaign war chests and can’t be beaten. If we removed the money first. then I’d get behind other changes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 3 hours ago, JaCrispy said: When you have educators teaching that America is a bad place, that white people are the devil, and that blacks are condemned to an infinite future of oppression because they just aren’t good enough, that’s gonna divide some people... That my friend, is a completely made up misinterpretation... Because Sean Hannity says so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: The world is going to get run over by the technology it has created in the last 30 years plus what is going to be released in the next 20 years. Our social structure is designed as such that we are obligated to spend on average 8 hours per day engaged in earning money so we can have food, clothing, shelter, etc.. Not perfect but it kept most of society in balance emotionally among other things. Now technology threatens to up end that social structure. People who can't adapt to new technology or new skills will become isolated perhaps leading to anti-social behavior resulting in a spike in crime. I expect that some people will be outright left behind in a new world where menial skills become minimally important. What did I read recently in terms of a 3D printer capable of producing a complete home. Won't need carpenters, roofers, etc. and those are the professions that have people that do not readily adapt to jobs requiring more advanced skill sets. This will all be an issue first in advanced nations such as the US. UBI is the only way forward. I think Congress knows that already. It will start when there isn’t enough FT work for people. I don’t see any other way unless there’s some huge breakthrough that creates 100 million new jobs. They already laid the groundwork with PUA(pandemic unemployment) and the child tax credit. Those programs will lay dormant and then be expanded when they’re needed. Edited July 14, 2021 by Governor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: It is surprising to me that a question on the future of our country still bring Trump as the main response, not the current president. I person think we will have a country that starts healing quickly because people who only get there news from the MSM are becoming less and less. I think those that use more sources will be more aware that 90% of Americans are good people and we will not allow the 10% hurt us further. trump is the symbol, not the cause. A candidate based in individual greed and with his insulting style could never have been elected in 50 yrs ago. Greed has overtaken the upper middle class. Drugs have given the poor a way to seek riches. Since the 1980s Wall Street moved past measuring success of stocks and the companies they represent and based the market on only their potential future, creating artificial wealth with no product produced. STOCK PRICE BECAME THE MOST IMPORTANT MEASURE OF CEOS IN PERFORMANCE OF A COMPANY. rewards for stock price were greater than performance. All smoke and mirrors in many cases. Money is the only goal. Yes 90% are good, but there is a rot happening. 10% can bring it down. For example in Germany the Party of Hitler was only 5% of the entire population. Not to say there is anything like that going on in the US, but just an illustration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Governor said: UBI is the only way forward. I think Congress knows that already. It will start when there isn’t enough FT work for people. I don’t see any other way unless there’s some huge breakthrough that creates 100 million new jobs. They already laid the groundwork with PUA(pandemic unemployment) and the child tax credit. Those programs will lay dormant and then be expanded when they’re needed. Who determines when there is not enough work? Has that not been an issue for quite a long time now? UBI does not address basic human behavior including the desire to have more economically than those around you. I fear that there will be a growing number of malcontents in society. Couple that with someone's misguided attempt to initiate environmental programs by restricting access to powered vehicles or environmental controls in a person's living quarters. Still going to need an effort/reward system to satisfy those who want more than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 4 hours ago, JaCrispy said: While Trump didn’t always help with his rhetoric, I don’t think the division was started by him...Trump was the symptom- a reaction to a divide that started taking place long before Trump got in office... When you have educators teaching that America is a bad place, that white people are the devil, and that blacks are condemned to an infinite future of oppression because they just aren’t good enough, that’s gonna divide some people...it’s very dark and not very encouraging, to say the least... I just don’t like the direction we are heading at all...I miss the 80s/90s...This “new normal” sucks! He jumped on the back of a crooked horse and rode it to the circus. Fox News proved you can say anything, if you say it enough, and Republican voters will believe it. Trump walked into a perfect situation for a pathologically lying, bigoted, grievance nurturing, self-pitying know-nothing to ride into the storm. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Who determines when there is not enough work? Has that not been an issue for quite a long time now? UBI does not address basic human behavior including the desire to have more economically than those around you. I fear that there will be a growing number of malcontents in society. Couple that with someone's misguided attempt to initiate environmental programs by restricting access to powered vehicles or environmental controls in a person's living quarters. Still going to need an effort/reward system to satisfy those who want more than you. Greed and hating your neighbor for having things you don’t have is definitely a problem in this country. I recognized that as a small child. I live by the idea that when my neighbor is doing well, I’ll likely be doing well also. I’m a huge minority in that kind of thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: Unfortunately, one party rule is not gonna good for anyone...(see Nazi party, or Chinese Communist Party)... Or the DNC😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 55 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: trump is the symbol, not the cause. A candidate based in individual greed and with his insulting style could never have been elected in 50 yrs ago. Greed has overtaken the upper middle class. Drugs have given the poor a way to seek riches. Since the 1980s Wall Street moved past measuring success of stocks and the companies they represent and based the market on only their potential future, creating artificial wealth with no product produced. STOCK PRICE BECAME THE MOST IMPORTANT MEASURE OF CEOS IN PERFORMANCE OF A COMPANY. rewards for stock price were greater than performance. All smoke and mirrors in many cases. Money is the only goal. Yes 90% are good, but there is a rot happening. 10% can bring it down. For example in Germany the Party of Hitler was only 5% of the entire population. Not to say there is anything like that going on in the US, but just an illustration. The 1980s was the time of junk bonds and the S and L scandal. The 1990s brought the tech bubble and the start of the housing bubble, we always have had to watch for greed. The in your face style is correct but FDR was very in the face of his opponents but the media was on his side so he was brave not antagonistic. As for the Nazi comparison, our govt does not allow someone who is appalling to 75% of the population win a presidency, which is what happened in Germany. 52 minutes ago, Governor said: Greed and hating your neighbor for having things you don’t have is definitely a problem in this country. I recognized that as a small child. I live by the idea that when my neighbor is doing well, I’ll likely be doing well also. I’m a huge minority in that kind of thinking. Most conservatives think that way. Democrats are the jealous of others wealth types. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 1 hour ago, RochesterRob said: The world is going to get run over by the technology it has created in the last 30 years plus what is going to be released in the next 20 years. Our social structure is designed as such that we are obligated to spend on average 8 hours per day engaged in earning money so we can have food, clothing, shelter, etc.. Not perfect but it kept most of society in balance emotionally among other things. Now technology threatens to up end that social structure. People who can't adapt to new technology or new skills will become isolated perhaps leading to anti-social behavior resulting in a spike in crime. I expect that some people will be outright left behind in a new world where menial skills become minimally important. What did I read recently in terms of a 3D printer capable of producing a complete home. Won't need carpenters, roofers, etc. and those are the professions that have people that do not readily adapt to jobs requiring more advanced skill sets. This will all be an issue first in advanced nations such as the US. So we will be able to make everrthyng we need and no one will have to work. That might be good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: So we will be able to make everrthyng we need and no one will have to work. That might be good We’ll always need someone to do the laundry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 5 hours ago, ALF said: Trump seriously divided this country just like the Civil War did . The future is not good with extreme partisanship . Long before Trump, but hey don’t let that stop your continuous bvllshit narrative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) Elon Musk had an interesting interview about the role of technology replacing ALL human jobs. A.I. would replace management Robots would replace labor. The final result is that everything would be FREE. What happens when everything in the world costs nothing because Robots took over every industry. Edited July 14, 2021 by unbillievable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 I see alot of debt and that is troubling me. I really hope they chill on that 3.5 trillion infrastructure bill, I think that it is wildly reckless and irresponsible because inflation is bad enough as it is without a gargantuan new debt. If they pass that bill it will be harmful to the future of the country and it will cement Biden as Jimmy Carter on steroids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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