DeSantis For President in 2024?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

6 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

"Lather, Rinse' Repeat. . . . . . . .the same false claim over and over.

 

It is NOT whitewashed.

 

That is the point that you cannot refute.

 

History about the horrors of slavery and the fight for Civil Rights continues to be taught, just as always

 

Just not through the lying prism of 1619 and CRT.

 

It is the recent 'educators who are trying to 'recount' their course.

 

What is their purpose ?

 

 

 

 

(ooh, name the book that has been whitewashed)

 

😆

 

 

 

I put up the list of banned subjects for this exact reason.  What about slave reparations makes it an off limits subject?  let's start there.

4 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

Getting rid of BLM topics is probably a good thing...what are they going to teach?  Rioting to the point of killing dozens, destroying billions in property and then embezzling the donations?  Yikes not a good look in the history books.  Reparations?  Who gets them and who pays them?  Do the nations who sold the slaves to the south pay up?  Do the soldiers families who fought for the North get paid?  Does that mean I get some? How are they teaching this stuff?  

 

You also can't cover every topic in these courses so some are going to be left out.

All fair questions that deserve discussion in schools.  Ignoring them doesn't make the questions disappear.  It amplifies them.  History is not about "a good look".  Ideally, it's about learning from mistakes and triumphs.

Edited February 3, 2023 by redtail hawk

[B-Man]

1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

 What about slave reparations makes it an off limits subject?  let's start there.

 

 

 

HISTORY class is being discussed. When, Who, Where, and WHY,  let's keep it there.

 

But keep trying to shoot off into another tangent.

 

 

 

Edited February 3, 2023 by B-Man

[B-Man]

 

 

By the way, a quick shout out to Roundy.

 

I was reading a different article which lead to this one.  LOL

 

 

On 1/27/2023 at 9:09 AM, Roundybout said:

Why are these questions even necessary? And “optional” my ass. 

 

On 1/27/2023 at 7:47 PM, Roundybout said:

No sports league anywhere asks teenage girls questions like that. Come on. Why is it necessary?

 

 

 

Actually, it’s fairly standard for school systems to ask girls about their menstruation on the health forms student-athletes have to fill out.

For instance, here’s the New York City form.

 

 

 

Here’s San Francisco’s.

 

 

But, you know Desantis BAD !!

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/media-menstruation-meltdown-florida-does-normal-thing-liberal-journalists-lose-their-minds

 

https://www.psal.org/PDF/Miscellaneous/2021_PSAL_NewPPE_2021.pdf

 

https://www.cifsf.org/uploads/3/2/0/9/32099267/preparticipationphysical2021-22.pdf

 

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[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

HISTORY class is being discussed. When, Who, Where, and WHY,  let's keep it there.

 

But keep trying to shoot off into another tangent.

 

 

 

Who are you to decide where to keep it?  Shouldn't that be up to the entire public to decide?  There are 5 W's regarding slave reparation.

Edited February 3, 2023 by redtail hawk

[B-Man]

 

National Association of Scholars. . . . . . . .phtttf, what do they know.

 

 

 

AP African American Studies Should Teach Black History, Not Activism

Peter Wood and David Randall

 

The College Board has just released a revised Advanced Placement (AP) African American Studies course (APAAS). The College Board substantially revised APAAS after Governor Ron DeSantis announced that Florida would reject the course as it appeared in the pilot version. Governor DeSantis’ administration determined that the proposed course violated the STOP W.O.K.E. Act. Noted education reformer Stanley Kurtz has provided extensive evidence to justify that determination.

 

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Most of the readings in the latter section of APAAS reject colorblindness in some fashion or other. The course even assigns writings by Kimberlé Crenshaw and Patricia Hill Collins, by any definition pillars of critical race theory. True, these readings focus on Crenshaw’s and Collins’s writings on intersectionality. Yet both Collins and Crenshaw view intersectionality through the prism of CRT [Critical Race Theory].

 

 

 

Florida was correct to reject the proposed APAAS course just for the radicalization of these final readings in the course, and every state in the union should follow suit. Florida may determine that the revised course will pass muster. Certainly the revision has removed the worst components of the initial version course.

 

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The revised APAAS curriculum has many fewer topics than the original. Nearly every now-omitted topic was filled with socialism, CRT, or some other radical perspective. Originally, an entire topic was devoted to Frantz Fanon’s glorification of violence — and its influence on black radicals in America. That topic is now gone.

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Another topic one-sidedly excoriated American foreign policy in Haiti. Gone. The unit on black ***** studies has also been deleted. DeSantis won that showdown with Governor Pritzker. A topic on “Afrocentricity,” the scholarly legitimacy of which is very much in dispute, is gone. Also gone is a CRT-based unit calling colorblindness racist (in direct violation of Florida law). Units plugging reparations, prison abolition, intersectionality, the socialist platform of the Movement for Black Lives, and the revolutionary meditations of Marxist radical Robin D. G. Kelley, are likewise gone. That’s an awful lot of radicalism disappeared.

 

{snip}

 

The original APAAS stated that it wished to teach a course to “emphasize Black joy.” But American students should learn that mankind shares all its joys, however rooted in our individual experiences. When they learn about African American history and culture, they should read poems such as Robert Hayden’s Monet’s Waterlilies:

 

Today as the news from Selma and Saigon
poisons the air like fallout,
I come again to see
the serene, great picture that I love.

Here space and time exist in light
the eye like the eye of faith believes.
The seen, the known
dissolve in iridescence, become
illusive flesh of light
that was not, was, forever is.

O light beheld as through refracting tears.
Here is the aura of that world
each of us has lost.
Here is the shadow of its joy.

 

 

APAAS, original or revised, does not teach this faith, or this light, or this joy. But a proper course in African American History will.

 

https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/ap-african-american-studies-should-teach-black-history-not-activism

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

National Association of Scholars. . . . . . . .phtttf, what do they know.

 

 

 

AP African American Studies Should Teach Black History, Not Activism

Peter Wood and David Randall

 

The College Board has just released a revised Advanced Placement (AP) African American Studies course (APAAS). The College Board substantially revised APAAS after Governor Ron DeSantis announced that Florida would reject the course as it appeared in the pilot version. Governor DeSantis’ administration determined that the proposed course violated the STOP W.O.K.E. Act. Noted education reformer Stanley Kurtz has provided extensive evidence to justify that determination.

 

 

 

 

The better question is "who are they?".  The National Association of Scholars (NAS) is an American non-profit politically conservative advocacy organization, with a particular interest in education.[2][3] It opposes a perceived political correctness on college campuses and supports a return to mid-20th-century curricular and scholarship norms, and an increase in conservative representation in faculty.

 

Mid century furniture is often beautiful.  Mid century education, not so much.

Edited February 3, 2023 by redtail hawk

[LeviF]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

DeSantis Derangement Syndrome: The media get even more unhinged

By Karol Markowicz

 

 

https://nypost.com/2023/02/02/desantis-derangement-syndrome-the-media-get-even-more-unhinged/

 

 

[reddogblitz]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

DeSantis Derangement Syndrome: The media get even more unhinged

By Karol Markowicz

 

 

https://nypost.com/2023/02/02/desantis-derangement-syndrome-the-media-get-even-more-unhinged/

 

 

 

They're doing it again cuz it worked.  President Trump was defeated.  If it ain't broke ...

[Joe Ferguson forever]

7 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

DeSantis Derangement Syndrome: The media get even more unhinged

By Karol Markowicz

 

 

https://nypost.com/2023/02/02/desantis-derangement-syndrome-the-media-get-even-more-unhinged/

 

 

what a piece of garbage:  

CNN reporter John Blake sent this note to DeSantis’ press secretary, Bryan Griffin, asking for comment after the gov blocked a woke high-school class: “I’ve talked to one of the nation’s leading scholars on fascism who, along with another scholar who is an authority on fascism, say that DeSantis’ decision echoes similar decisions made by fascist dictators to force what one historian calls ‘collective amnesia’ about the past.”

 

SUNY needs its own Ron DeSantis as a savior from woke insanity

I’m writing a piece calling the governor a fascist, care to comment? And how long have you been beating your wife?

 

Karol Markowicz would get a "C" in composition 101 and an "F" in intro logic at any respectable university (but an "A+" at Hillsdale).   How dare Blake ask for a comment regarding expert opinion?  She and her readers couldn't care less about education and critical thought.  Scholarship is woke and insane to them.  Doublespeak in real time.

Edited February 4, 2023 by redtail hawk

[BillStime]

When will Ron censor Tweets like this is the People’s Republik of FloriDUH?

 

 

[JDHillFan]

2 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

How dare Blake ask for a comment regarding expert opinion?

Who were the experts Blake was referring to and what made these people “experts”. Or do you think it’s good enough for Blake to say “I talked to some scholars”? Sounds like a real “journalist” to me. 

[Orlando Tim]

2 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

what a piece of garbage:  

CNN reporter John Blake sent this note to DeSantis’ press secretary, Bryan Griffin, asking for comment after the gov blocked a woke high-school class: “I’ve talked to one of the nation’s leading scholars on fascism who, along with another scholar who is an authority on fascism, say that DeSantis’ decision echoes similar decisions made by fascist dictators to force what one historian calls ‘collective amnesia’ about the past.”

 

SUNY needs its own Ron DeSantis as a savior from woke insanity

I’m writing a piece calling the governor a fascist, care to comment? And how long have you been beating your wife?

 

Karol Markowicz would get a "C" in composition 101 and an "F" in intro logic at any respectable university (but an "A+" at Hillsdale).   How dare Blake ask for a comment regarding expert opinion?  She and her readers couldn't care less about education and critical thought.  Scholarship is woke and insane to them.  Doublespeak in real time.

Why do you feel that his objections are inappropriate? At this point the AP is revising the parts he objects to so they don't have an issue with the comments.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

9 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Who were the experts Blake was referring to and what made these people “experts”. Or do you think it’s good enough for Blake to say “I talked to some scholars”? Sounds like a real “journalist” to me. 

Blake's article is yet to be published.  This was a letter to a Desantis spokesman.  Let's wait for the piece and see if proper attributions are made.

[B-Man]

5 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Who were the experts Blake was referring to and what made these people “experts”. Or do you think it’s good enough for Blake to say “I talked to some scholars”? Sounds like a real “journalist” to me. 

 

He specifically stated that he had spoken with "experts" on fascism

 

To tone deaf lemmings like hawkie that is (apparently) just asking for a comment/opinion.

 

To those of us with IQ's above 100, It is an obvious prejudiced question

And best made public for all Floridians to see

 

As Desantis's press secretary did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

Why do you feel that his objections are inappropriate? At this point the AP is revising the parts he objects to so they don't have an issue with the comments.

Whose objections?  The writer cited is female.  It was published in the NY post, not AP. 

[B-Man]

 

DeSantis vindicated on critical race theory in schools

 

What Florida law proscribes additionally, however, is any curriculum designed to “indoctrinate” students into thinking any person “is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously, solely by virtue of his or her race or sex” or that any person “by virtue of his or her race or sex” bears responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex.”

 

This is exactly what the Advanced Placement curriculum designed by the College Board did before DeSantis said he would block the use of the AP African American Studies course in Florida public high schools.

 

Democrats and their media allies frequently claim the teaching of critical race theory in schools is a myth. Critical race theory, they smugly insist, is a graduate-level topic not taught in elementary and secondary education. But after DeSantis fought back and said the AP course violated state law, the College Board agreed with him and backed down, removing writers and scholars from the curriculum who even the New York Times admits are “associated with critical race theory.”

 

Among many other objectionable items the College Board removed from its curriculum were extensive essays supporting financial reparations for slavery. The curriculum claimed it was just fostering “debate” on the subject, but a lack of interest in debate was revealed in the total lack of material in the course critical of the idea. This is “textbook” indoctrination and a clear violation of Florida’s law.

 

The College Board claims it had already removed the critical race theory elements before DeSantis’s criticism. But it’s clear the changes were a response to apt political pressure.

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/desantis-vindicated-on-critical-race-theory-in-schools/ar-AA173N8i?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7674d817d1bc425dc7811e636c3ac016

Edited February 4, 2023 by B-Man

[JDHillFan]

5 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

Blake's article is yet to be published.  This was a letter to a Desantis spokesman.  Let's wait for the piece and see if proper attributions are made.

So to you it’s ok for Blake to ask for comment using “I spoke to a fascism scholar” rather than “I spoke to John Smith, a scholar from the local community college”. Care to explain why you think that’s ok when the “journalist” involved has obviously already written the story of the fascist in charge of Florida? 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

20 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

So to you it’s ok for Blake to ask for comment using “I spoke to a fascism scholar” rather than “I spoke to John Smith, a scholar from the local community college”. Care to explain why you think that’s ok when the “journalist” involved has obviously already written the story of the fascist in charge of Florida? 

Desantis' spokesman could have asked for the names if he desired.  He didn't.  I don't think he would have received an honest answer regardless of whether Blake named his experts.  Blake has a right, as a journalist, to ask a Governers spokesman for comment.  He has the right to ignore it.  That's what happened.  No big deal.

Edited February 4, 2023 by redtail hawk

[JDHillFan]

CLAIM: Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is requiring all female student-athletes in the state to provide detailed information about their periods in order to compete in organized sports. 

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. 
 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-desantis-florida-sports-female-athletes-160560972802

 

Period pearl-clutchers hardest hit.