US Catholic Bishops vote to rebuke pro abortion Catholic politicians

[BullBuchanan]

2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Dudeski, he’s the leader of the free world elected in large part by people who claim to victimized by…ah, college…and need redemption in the form of someone else sucking up the payment.   He’s the leader of the free world with a history of groping women and children in public, and was elected in large part by people who claim to be pro-women because he “owned” his behavior at age 78.  He’s the leader of the free world with a 5 decade history of making racist comments including claiming to be the arbiter of…blackness, elected in large part by social justice suburbanites claiming to be about racial progress. 
 

He doesn’t need to look strong, he just has to avoid wearing Dr Jills PhD’pends on his head while out in public.  
 

Besides, any devout Catholic knows his shtick from the last 45 years and have shrugged and reconciled or moved on. 

And yet he's an infinite upgrade over the alternative. I didn't vote for him and I never will, but I'm glad he beat the other guy. That's really all that matters when your choice was a ***** sandwich or a vomit covered ***** sandwich

Edited June 23, 2021 by BullBuchanan

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

8 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

And yet he's an infinite upgrade over the alternative. I didn't vote for him and I never will, but I'm glad he beat the other guy. That's really all that matters when your choice was a ***** sandwich or a vomit covered ***** sandwich

Your vote is your business, and what motivates you is as well. That’s why we have elections.   We can celebrate the fact that you agreed with the assessment of the current president.  

[Big Blitz]

11 hours ago, 716er said:

 

There's a group called Catholics for Choice with a vast membership and a Board of Directors.

 

All of those folks are still able to receive the sacrament without issue.

 

Guess they'll find out come when judgement comes.  That could be an issue. 

 

 

11 hours ago, 716er said:

 

Why don't the bishops go after them?

 

 

They just did.  

[Tiberius]

9 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Guess they'll find out come when judgement comes.  That could be an issue. 

 

Do you think St Paul will talk squarely to those condemned to hell fire about condoms? "Son, you put it on and killed all those sperm cells! To the fires of perdition with you!" 

[BillStime]

 

[BillStime]

 

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

 

 

Clueless Bill.  

 

They were never going to single out at Communion Pelosi or Biden or anyone.  

 

 

How would the priest know if either went to confession that week to confess their radical positions on abortion and are truly sorry?   How would they know?

 

They can't.  Thus no one was going to be physically denied communion.

 

But now it is back in the discourse of the church, the flock, and even the salad bar Catholics.  

 

You lack an understanding of how this and most everything works but especially this.  

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Clueless Bill.  

 

They were never going to single out at Communion Pelosi or Biden or anyone.  

 

 

How would the priest know if either went to confession that week to confess their radical positions on abortion and are truly sorry?   How would they know?

 

They can't.  Thus no one was going to be physically denied communion.

 

But now it is back in the discourse of the church, the flock, and even the salad bar Catholics.  

 

You lack an understanding of how this and most everything works but especially this.  

Why does this thread exist?

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

Why does this thread exist?

 

 

Read the OP bro.  

[Big Blitz]

Good.  

 

 

 

[Andy1]

Religion is religion. Government is government. Mixing the two together ruins both and benefits none. There was a reason why the founding fathers advocated for separation of church and state.

[Coffeesforclosers]

37 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

Religion is religion. Government is government. Mixing the two together ruins both and benefits none. There was a reason why the founding fathers advocated for separation of church and state.

 

Yup.  Anybody who thinks they can bring about gods kingdom through man's works can go hang out with the other pelagians. So render unto caesar.

 

[LeviF]

10 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

Yup.  Anybody who thinks they can bring about gods kingdom through man's works can go hang out with the other pelagians. So render unto caesar.

 

The defining line comes at some point though. Paul states that civil power is delegated by God for good. Therefore any use of civil power for evil is the power of man, not God. To resist such is thus not resisting God but men. 

[Orlando Tim]

I am hoping in his letter that his blocking her is based on her promotion of abortion, not simply her lack of opposition. This is not a situation where you are with me or against me, the majority of people want to protect the babies and the mothers.

[ALF]

What if politicians or judges remain quiet but vote to have abortion legal will the Church still sanction them ?

After controversy, U.S. Catholic bishops say there will be ‘no national policy on withholding Communion from politicians’
June 25, 2021 

 

Days after a vote that triggered a tsunami of Catholic debate about Communion and politics, leading U.S. Catholic bishops working on an upcoming document about the sacrament are now de-emphasizing direct confrontation with President Biden or other Catholic politicians who support abortion rights.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2021/06/25/catholic-bishops-communion-biden-abortion/

 

Pelosi ‘Pleased’ by Vatican Statement on Communion for Pro-Abortion Politicians  May 14, 2021

The document Pelosi was referring to told the U.S. bishops to discuss the matter among themselves, to avoid public controversy and division, and ultimately to leave the question between politicians and their local Catholic authorities.

 

https://catholicvote.org/pelosi-pleased-by-vatican-statement-on-communion-for-pro-abortion-politicians/

 

It sounds like it is up to each diocese to decide 

 

I have not heard of excommunication from the Church as a penalty.

Edited May 21, 2022 by ALF

[Orlando Tim]

7 hours ago, ALF said:

What if politicians or judges remain quiet but vote to have abortion legal will the Church still sanction them ?

After controversy, U.S. Catholic bishops say there will be ‘no national policy on withholding Communion from politicians’
June 25, 2021 

 

Days after a vote that triggered a tsunami of Catholic debate about Communion and politics, leading U.S. Catholic bishops working on an upcoming document about the sacrament are now de-emphasizing direct confrontation with President Biden or other Catholic politicians who support abortion rights.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2021/06/25/catholic-bishops-communion-biden-abortion/

 

Pelosi ‘Pleased’ by Vatican Statement on Communion for Pro-Abortion Politicians  May 14, 2021

The document Pelosi was referring to told the U.S. bishops to discuss the matter among themselves, to avoid public controversy and division, and ultimately to leave the question between politicians and their local Catholic authorities.

 

https://catholicvote.org/pelosi-pleased-by-vatican-statement-on-communion-for-pro-abortion-politicians/

 

It sounds like it is up to each diocese to decide 

 

I have not heard of excommunication from the Church as a penalty.

Just to your last comment, denial of communion is a long step from excommunication. Both are a repudiation but no communion is like a suspension vs getting fired. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

9 hours ago, ALF said:

What if politicians or judges remain quiet but vote to have abortion legal will the Church still sanction them ?

After controversy, U.S. Catholic bishops say there will be ‘no national policy on withholding Communion from politicians’
June 25, 2021 

 

Days after a vote that triggered a tsunami of Catholic debate about Communion and politics, leading U.S. Catholic bishops working on an upcoming document about the sacrament are now de-emphasizing direct confrontation with President Biden or other Catholic politicians who support abortion rights.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2021/06/25/catholic-bishops-communion-biden-abortion/

 

Pelosi ‘Pleased’ by Vatican Statement on Communion for Pro-Abortion Politicians  May 14, 2021

The document Pelosi was referring to told the U.S. bishops to discuss the matter among themselves, to avoid public controversy and division, and ultimately to leave the question between politicians and their local Catholic authorities.

 

https://catholicvote.org/pelosi-pleased-by-vatican-statement-on-communion-for-pro-abortion-politicians/

 

It sounds like it is up to each diocese to decide 

 

I have not heard of excommunication from the Church as a penalty.

Well, it wouldn’t be controversial if there wasn’t a sell out on some level.  

[Tiberius]

 

 

[Tiberius]

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