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11 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

For about a 10 game stretch in 2019 maybe so, but in 2020 he was one of the worst players on the field.  Please go back and watch the games. You will be hard pressed to find 5 impact plays all year.  He had a really impressive stop on a 4th and goal against San Fran. That was his highlight play of 2020.  The worst was him almost tearing his groin and falling flat on his face as Cam Newton ran past him into the endzone.  In between was a high number of tackles 5+ yards downfiles, many missed open filed tackles, horrible angles to the ball and terrible blitzes up the middle.  He played better down the stretch presumably as his shoulder was healing but he was also positioned outside with Klein at MLB.  

I 100% agree he physically looks like a guy that can dominate but he has terrible instincts, is slow to diagnose run and pas splays, and just doesn't make plays.  Is that intelligence, is that football savvy, is that inexperience?  I don't know but I know what I see on film.  

If he plays like he did in late 2019 and the kids at DE play well the Bills defense has a chance to be top 5.  

We know you can not teach instincts , I hope as he matures as a player he learns to diagnose plays and make better decisions 

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Edmunds is too slow physically and mentally to be even considered for DPOY. Mr. Whitewash.    We need to upgrade that position.     

The takeaway is most Bills fans criminally undervalue Edmunds. He probably won’t win DPOY but he has DPOY talent and ability. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-2021-fearless-forecasts-from-mvp-to-sack-leader-to-first-qb-benched-predictions-in-19-categories/ Interesting....Curious though.

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I can't believe he is so young still... Guy just turned 23 in May

 

I think he will continue to progress, and in terms of build and size, he will mature as well and become more dominant. 

 

 

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19 hours ago, Buffalo619 said:

Edmunds is too slow physically and mentally to be even considered for DPOY. Mr. Whitewash. 
 

We need to upgrade that position. 
 

 

 

It's ok if you're not an Edmunds fan, but calling him "slow" just shows you don't know anything.

He ran a 4.54 40 and plays extremely fast. The problem is reading coverage and physicality.

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1 hour ago, maddenboy said:

but.  but.  but this is exactly why those of us are so down on him. 

 

precisely because he has the tools.  Look like Tarzan, play like Jane.

 

Funny how most fans, media and talent evaluators believe Edmunds plays at a Pro Bowl level.  But you do you. 

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19 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

The takeaway is most Bills fans criminally undervalue Edmunds. He probably won’t win DPOY but he has DPOY talent and ability. 

Criminally undervalued?  Come on.  He's been average in the run game and poor in pass coverage.  He should be better than last year but I don't ever expect him to fall into the elite tier of linebackers.

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8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Criminally undervalued?  Come on.  He's been average in the run game and poor in pass coverage.  He should be better than last year but I don't ever expect him to fall into the elite tier of linebackers.

 

Will you settle for Pro Bowl-caliber?  Will you acknowledge the Bills seems to love him, football analysts constantly praise his play and that the Defense if MUCH better when he's on the field, that he's 23 years old and has the potential to reach your "elite" tier?  That might help you through the acceptance stage. 

 

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19 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Some of y’all really believe this could happen? Lol ok

I don't believe it would/could happen. I believe this was/is and has been just another opportunity for some to throw him on whipping post. edmunds has been the whipping boy for some, one in particular, since he was drafted.

 

he wont be dopy, but he wont be the scrub some believe he is, either.

 

cbs making some off season bold predictions. believe there may of been a thread or two here about bold player predictions?

 

nice he gets the mention though. McD has been known to run a pretty good defense and he and beane made the right move with edmunds I believe, could be a breakout year?. surely no reason to be writing him off?

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1 hour ago, Max Fischer said:

 

Funny how most fans, media and talent evaluators believe Edmunds plays at a Pro Bowl level.  But you do you. 

hail naw.

 

And I get the posters who argue that this is not the age nor the defensive scheme for Dick Butkus or Ray Lewis.  But still, show me some fire.  Make mistakes at full speed, instead of tippy-toe moves to make sure you arrive eventually at the right place or whatever your flawed decision tree requires.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Max Fischer said:

 

Will you settle for Pro Bowl-caliber?  Will you acknowledge the Bills seems to love him, football analysts constantly praise his play and that the Defense if MUCH better when he's on the field, that he's 23 years old and has the potential to reach your "elite" tier?  That might help you through the acceptance stage. 

 

I'd settle for pro-bowl caliber if it werent a popularity contest. 

 

The Bills do seem to be wedded to him.  Doesnt mean love.  right now they are stuck with him.  They dont seem to be as negative as we posters but that doesnt mean they love him.  They loved him when they drafted him, for sure.

 

And i'm tired of '23 years old."  Where is the mental growth?  his body is the same.  his play is the same.  I dont see any positive trend except the Bills havent and wont cut or demote him. 

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21 hours ago, JohnNord said:

Edmunds….I’ll eat my sandal if Edmunds is DPOY

 

8 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

Would you like fries with that?

 

Would it depend on which of his alts will be eating the fries and sandals though?    BuffaloRush, Phil the Thrill,  BillyWhiteShows, JohnNord?

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15 minutes ago, maddenboy said:

hail naw.

 

And I get the posters who argue that this is not the age nor the defensive scheme for Dick Butkus or Ray Lewis.  But still, show me some fire.  Make mistakes at full speed, instead of tippy-toe moves to make sure you arrive eventually at the right place or whatever your flawed decision tree requires.

 

 

 

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Sooooo, 808, based on the above video are we saying that we didnt draft a "Big Nickel" because Tremaine is already that?

 

serious question.  because if so, then we are all evaluating him wrong.  And if so, maybe he is more valuable than we nay-sayers think.

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1 minute ago, maddenboy said:

Sooooo, are we saying that we didnt draft a "Big Nickel" because Tremaine is already that?

 

serious question.  because if so, then we are all evaluating him wrong.  And if so, maybe he is more valuable than we nay-sayers think.

I mean we played base nickel the whole 2020 basically except for that time they were using Klein for a bit iirc

 

Edmunds' job is a lot different than a normal 4-3 MLB

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23 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

 

Would it depend on which of his alts will be eating the fries and sandals though?    BuffaloRush, Phil the Thrill,  BillyWhiteShows, JohnNord?

What are you talking about?

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2 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

 

Funny how most fans, media and talent evaluators believe Edmunds plays at a Pro Bowl level.  But you do you. 

 

 

The thing is, Pro Bowl level isn't very descriptive.........that could mean you are the best MLB in the league or the 18th best.

 

That distinction matters.

 

The NFC has A LOT of good MLB'ers that are clearly better than Edmunds...........the AFC has very few.

 

When you start talking about being All Pro........then it's a lot less subjective.

 

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3 hours ago, Putin said:

We know you can not teach instincts , I hope as he matures as a player he learns to diagnose plays and make better decisions 

 

That is correct.  It is possible to improve his understanding of the game.  Remember the cant teach accuracy BS? 

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7 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

That is correct.  It is possible to improve his understanding of the game.  Remember the cant teach accuracy BS? 

 

Where are all those folks now, I wonder?   :)

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IF!!

Oliver becomes what he was drafted for.

IF!!

Rousseau and Basham come in like DROY candidates.

IF!!

Star can hold the point of attack so others can eat.

IF!!

Epenesa takes the next step.

IF!!

Hughes remains Mr. Consistency.

IF! 

Milano doesn't get injured.

 

THEN!

Edmunds has a really good chance of becoming a dominant and possible DPOY candidate.

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