Tiberius Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share Posted April 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said: what does this have to do with CRT ? She talked about teaching about slavery and went from there. CRT attacks are, in part, being used to stop the truth from being taught Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Just now, Tiberius said: She talked about teaching about slavery and went from there. CRT attacks are, in part, being used to stop the truth from being taught I did not watch the entire video, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: She talked about teaching about slavery and went from there. CRT attacks are, in part, being used to stop the truth from being taught What important truth does CRT cover that my American history class did not cover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share Posted April 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: What important truth does CRT cover that my American history class did not cover? It the truth that the slavery was the cause of our most terrible war. The south fought to defend and expand slavery. There is a lot of resistance to that basic fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: It the truth that the slavery was the cause of our most terrible war. The south fought to defend and expand slavery. There is a lot of resistance to that basic fact Not really a thing that is denied, it truly is deeper than just slavery but it is the proximate cause as covered by the Simpsons in the early 90s. https://youtu.be/_Q--iGgtRn8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Not really a thing that is denied, it truly is deeper than just slavery but it is the proximate cause as covered by the Simpsons in the early 90s. https://youtu.be/_Q--iGgtRn8 oh, it is denied so you agree racism caused our biggest national disaster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: oh, it is denied so you agree racism caused our biggest national disaster? racism as a cause = not true slavery as primary cause = true other causes: economic interests, cultural values, the power of the federal government to control the states 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: oh, it is denied so you agree racism caused our biggest national disaster? Wait…you believe the reason why there’s been slavery for thousands of years of human history was because of racism? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share Posted April 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said: racism as a cause = not true slavery as primary cause = true other causes: economic interests, cultural values, the power of the federal government to control the states slavery was based upon racism. You are going in circles. Why did the south not like a strong federal government? Slavery. That's basic. All your other reason, either incorrect or really inconsequential. Where do you think the south's common cultural values flowed from? Slavery maybe? 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Wait…you believe the reason why there’s been slavery for thousands of years of human history was because of racism? American slavery did not exist for thousands of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: slavery was based upon racism. You are going in circles. Why did the south not like a strong federal government? Slavery. That's basic. All your other reason, either incorrect or really inconsequential. Where do you think the south's common cultural values flowed from? Slavery maybe? American slavery did not exist for thousands of years. I was unaware that Moses was a black American- mind blown! Few people in the north liked the strong federal government but why bother with facts. Lastly can you find someone outside of Twitter trolls who actually say that slavery was not the proximate cause? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: slavery was based upon racism. You are going in circles. Why did the south not like a strong federal government? Slavery. That's basic. All your other reason, either incorrect or really inconsequential. Where do you think the south's common cultural values flowed from? Slavery maybe? American slavery did not exist for thousands of years. So it’s your theory that a bunch of racist southern white dudes said ‘hey…we hate black people, let’s sail to the other side of the world and get some black people we can abuse’? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: slavery was based upon racism. You are going in circles. Why did the south not like a strong federal government? Slavery. That's basic. All your other reason, either incorrect or really inconsequential. Where do you think the south's common cultural values flowed from? Slavery maybe? American slavery did not exist for thousands of years. you're the one going in circles. You're making an empirical statement that slavery was based upon racism. Slavery was first & foremost a economic issue, as slave labor was the engine of southern agrarian economy. My other reasons were neither incorrect nor inconsequential. A basic Google search will show this for you. https://www.thoughtco.com/top-causes-of-the-civil-war-104532 Not sure why you are willingly ignorant that there were associated/ancillary causes of the Civil War. You're ignoring basic history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share Posted April 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said: you're the one going in circles. You're making an empirical statement that slavery was based upon racism. Slavery was first & foremost a economic issue, as slave labor was the engine of southern agrarian economy. My other reasons were neither incorrect nor inconsequential. A basic Google search will show this for you. https://www.thoughtco.com/top-causes-of-the-civil-war-104532 Not sure why you are willingly ignorant that there were associated/ancillary causes of the Civil War. You're ignoring basic history. Let me just get this right, you are claiming that slavery was not based upon a racial doctrine of white superiority? Let’s just handle that first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: American slavery did not exist for thousands of years. But the origins of American slavery did exist for hundreds of years in West Africa before the first Portuguese settlements appeared on the scene. And the practice was facilitated by Arab slave traders working with African tribes and kingdoms that captured and sold other Africans into slavery. With the initial Western Hemisphere market being South American and Caribbean sugar plantations. And later the U.S. south. I'm curious to know if CRT's version of the origin and practice of slavery indict both Arab and black African participants in the practice and include them in the theories oppressor/oppressed social model? Or is their involvement overlooked or does the stories timeline start later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share Posted April 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said: you're the one going in circles. You're making an empirical statement that slavery was based upon racism. Slavery was first & foremost a economic issue, as slave labor was the engine of southern agrarian economy. My other reasons were neither incorrect nor inconsequential. A basic Google search will show this for you. https://www.thoughtco.com/top-causes-of-the-civil-war-104532 Not sure why you are willingly ignorant that there were associated/ancillary causes of the Civil War. You're ignoring basic history. Oh and I laughed at your google search Ya, I’ll show you who is ignorant. This will be fun 2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: But the origins of American slavery did exist for hundreds of years in West Africa before the first Portuguese settlements appeared on the scene. And the practice was facilitated by Arab slave traders working with African tribes and kingdoms that captured and sold other Africans into slavery. With the initial Western Hemisphere market being South American and Caribbean sugar plantations. And later the U.S. south. I'm curious to know if CRT's version of the origin and practice of slavery indict both Arab and black African participants in the practice and include them in the theories oppressor/oppressed social model? Or is their involvement overlooked or does the stories timeline start later? So, if someone was teaching about the fugitive slave act--part of a compromise to keep union together--you would simply deflect to blaming people from thousands of years before? Deflect on the issue. 10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: So it’s your theory that a bunch of racist southern white dudes said ‘hey…we hate black people, let’s sail to the other side of the world and get some black people we can abuse’? We were talking about causes of civil war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 26 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Oh and I laughed at your google search Ya, I’ll show you who is ignorant. This will be fun So, if someone was teaching about the fugitive slave act--part of a compromise to keep union together--you would simply deflect to blaming people from thousands of years before? Deflect on the issue. We were talking about causes of civil war You’re laughing at me while you show your stupidity claiming that slavery was the only cause the Civil War. Your irony is lost on you. I’m the one laughing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 Just now, BuffaninSarasota said: You’re laughing at me while you show your stupidity claiming that slavery was the only cause the Civil War. Your irony is lost on you. I’m the one laughing now. It was the only cause that mattered. You are ignorant of the history, obviously. You obviously have no basic knowledge of the events leading up to the war, isn't that true? Have you even read a biography of Lincoln? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: It was the only cause that mattered. You are ignorant of the history, obviously. You obviously have no basic knowledge of the events leading up to the war, isn't that true? Have you even read a biography of Lincoln? In your opinion, it was the only cause that mattered. You are showing your ignorance stating this as a fact. how am ignorant of history when I post basic Information from a linked source? you’re showing a weirdly obtuse stubbornness basic on opinion, not fact and yes, I’m fairly educated on that part of our history. you have a great night ! Edited April 20, 2022 by BuffaninSarasota Edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 minute ago, BuffaninSarasota said: In your opinion, it was the only cause that mattered. You are showing your ignorance stating this as a fact. how am ignorant of history when I post basic Information from a linked sources. you’re showing a weirdly obtuse stubbornness basic on opinion, not fact and yes, I’m fairly educated on that part of our history. you have a great night ! The facts support my opinion. I cannot believe you are well educated on the history of a time period littered with fights over slavery and secession and say secession wasn't primarily about slavery. It is totally obvious. Night man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 hour ago, BuffaninSarasota said: racism as a cause = not true slavery as primary cause = true other causes: economic interests, cultural values, the power of the federal government to control the states @Tiberiuscan you not see I stated slavery as the primary cause of the Civil War? seriously - you can’t understand this was my position ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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