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27 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

SHOCKER.  These e-mails are being viewed through the prism of whatever preconceived biases you have.  If you're on the left Fauci is a hero who simply adapted with the ever changing science and refused to be corrupted by Trump.  If you're on the right he was a flip flopper who became the human symbol of what they viewed as over restrictive measures (masks, lockdowns, etc.) and was controlled by the WHO who got their orders from China. 

 

I liked him at first but then he started to give too many interviews with too many unnecessary predictions. Then he posed for a magazine (Newsweek?) maskless in the middle of a pandemic last summer.  Fame had gotten to his head (he somehow had time to write a book) and he should've been replaced then.  I trust highly regarded doctors more than politicians but he became a politician.

 

 

I'm center-left, and I don't see him as a hero. He's a scientist, a guy who lets the science tell him what he should say. 

 

But he didn't have much of a choice but to develop the politician side of his personality. When you're constantly being grilled by Senate committees, trying to get you to say what they want to hear regardless of how well it fits with the science, you have to deal with it.

 

But this thread is nuts. A writers tries to develop a source by treating them politely ... and it's proof of something? Somehow "carrying water"? Flat-out bizarre. You think if that woman wrote a letter to Rand Paul asking him to keep her informed that the tone would be different? Puh-leeze.

 

Sad indeed, this thread, but now in the way many of the denizens here think.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I'm center-left, and I don't see him as a hero. A guy who lets the science tell him what he should say, yeah. 

 

But he didn't have much of a choice but to develop the politician side of your personality. When you're constantly being grilled by Senate committees, trying to get you to say what they want to hear regardless of how well it fits with the science, you have to deal with it.

Did he have to give all those interviews where he just seemed to confuse people more?  Did he have to do a magazine shoot in the middle of a pandemic?  If he's just following the science why didn't he speak out louder against the lack of social distancing during the protests following the George Floyd death?

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3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

He wasn't specific because the science says the question can not be answered specifically. That's just the way it is.

 

Fauci's not perfect, but he's been pretty damn good.

 

EDIT:   Oh, I see.

 

This is mostly a thread full of nuts? Fair enough. My mistake to spend the time.

 

 

 


Typical. See the truth and run. 

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7 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

It’s a total sham the MSM is ignoring this, but let me get the facts straight here. 
 

This very research of infecting humans with animal viruses  was paused because of escape/pandemic concerns in 2014.

 

The NIAID then quietly redefined the research so it would be allowed to be resume without oversight in 2017. 
 

Our government stole our money to fund a grant to create and study bat coronavirus infecting humans in wuhan lab, a virus found in bats over 500 miles away. The grant offered by a board headed by Dr Anthony Fauci. 
 

Three workers from that same lab in wuhan checked themselves into a hospital in November of 2019 with covid like illness.

 

Whistleblower Li Wenliang in China in December says there is a new contagious and deadly virus and is thrown in prison by the Chinese government. 
 

China claims it’s all contained as the world travels normally including during Chinese New Year. 
 

China is able to miraculously isolate  sequence the covid in record time just in case we need a vaccine. 
 

Millions die over the next year.  
 

Fauci says nothing to see here.


Virus came from a wet market bat banging a mollusk or something and someone eating it, in the same town as all this bat covid infecting human “research” going on. 
 

cool story huh? 

 

 

 

That's pretty much the plot here.  For me the lab leak scenario made the most sense from day one and I believed it way back March 2020.  Firstly, what a coincidence a viral pandemic starts in a location with a viral research lab with a reputation for safety protocol issues.  Chinese scientists advocating for the lab leak suddenly disappearing and never heard from again.  RNA insert analysis posted by scientists, efficiency in attaching to humans, facts almost everyone choose to ignore, many virologists and researchers casting doubt this virus could have been a natural mutation.  But I got roasted on forums where I posted my support of that theory by idiots who can't develop a connect the dots conclusion based on a series of facts.  People who believe all the crap anybody with some official title is shoveling without taking into account their personal or professional interests or motives.   

Fast forward to present day and the Lab leak is still a theory but so is the natural mutation scenario.  At this point I expect we'll never know for certain.  And the market where the bat virus is alleged to have originated was conveniently plowed under by the Chinese government almost immediately.  Nothing looks more suspicious than cleaning the crime scene before the investigation.

But assuming the Wuhan Lab is the source of the pandemic its safe to say the US government and the Chinese government both know this to be true at this time.  Both have an interest in keeping the story quiet and to push the natural mutation narrative.  Simply because if the virus escaped from the lab by infecting workers at the lab due to lax containment and safety protocols then both governments would need to take actions that neither wanted to take.  China doesn't want to admit it and take responsibility for all the deaths and illnesses.  And there are other consequences that can come to bear beyond that like economic and political shunning and isolation.  And the US doesn't want to be in a position where they are "forced" to take punitive measures against China at this point in time as failure to take some actions would be a disaster for our government and political leaders.  Such is the life of the "nothing to see here" narrative 

 

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3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

SHOCKER.  These e-mails are being viewed through the prism of whatever preconceived biases you have.  If you're on the left Fauci is a hero who simply adapted with the ever changing science and refused to be corrupted by Trump.  If you're on the right he was a flip flopper who became the human symbol of what they viewed as over restrictive measures (masks, lockdowns, etc.) and was controlled by the WHO who got their orders from China. 

 

I liked him at first but then he started to give too many interviews with too many unnecessary predictions. Then he posed for a magazine (Newsweek?) maskless in the middle of a pandemic last summer.  Fame had gotten to his head (he somehow had time to write a book) and he should've been replaced then.  I trust highly regarded doctors more than politicians but he became a politician.

I have a different take, and I’ve said it before. You have to reconstruct the ‘crime’ in the order in which it was happening. He didn’t flip flop. He KNEW exactly what all of this meant from the outset. The minute he heard the location, Wuhan, he knew exactly what with this was. You didn’t but he did! That may be just an odd named town on the other side of the planet to you and me but it sure the heck isn’t to Tony Fauci! He knew what was in Wuhan. Ya think they they have these level of labs doing this specific kind of research in Tonawanda? So...his first reaction was to downplay the pending crisis hoping it would fade away naturally and his fingerprints wouldn’t be discovered at the crime scene. Later, when it clearly isn’t going away and the dead bodies start floating up to the surface he moves fast to make himself into the hero, building his public image as the defender of the weak. He poses for magazines, goes on public relations tour. But now.... Finally, someone’s discovered the murder weapon and the scramble is on! It’s no different than Scott and Lacie Peterson. This same sort of story’s been playing out for centuries. He’s a guilty, lazy government hack who thought he could slide from administration to administration on his six figure salary and even turn it into a lucrative book deal. But this time the clock struck midnight! 

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9 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

It’s a total sham the MSM is ignoring this, but let me get the facts straight here. 
 

This very research of infecting humans with animal viruses  was paused because of escape/pandemic concerns in 2014.

 

The NIAID then quietly redefined the research so it would be allowed to be resume without oversight in 2017. 
 

Our government stole our money to fund a grant to create and study bat coronavirus infecting humans in wuhan lab, a virus found in bats over 500 miles away. The grant offered by a board headed by Dr Anthony Fauci. 
 

Three workers from that same lab in wuhan checked themselves into a hospital in November of 2019 with covid like illness.

 

Whistleblower Li Wenliang in China in December says there is a new contagious and deadly virus and is thrown in prison by the Chinese government. 
 

China claims it’s all contained as the world travels normally including during Chinese New Year. 
 

China is able to miraculously isolate  sequence the covid in record time just in case we need a vaccine. 
 

Millions die over the next year.  
 

Fauci says nothing to see here.


Virus came from a wet market bat banging a mollusk or something and someone eating it, in the same town as all this bat covid infecting human “research” going on. 
 

cool story huh? 

 

And it's still all Trump's fault.

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43 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

And it's still all Trump's fault.

 

The origins of the virus does NOT change the fact that Trump was indeed the President of the United States, right? Really too bad Trump ignored his intelligence and destroyed our pandemic preparedness.

 

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6 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

The origins of the virus does NOT change the fact that Trump was indeed the President of the United States, right? Really too bad Trump ignored his intelligence and destroyed our pandemic preparedness.

 

What intelligence is that?  He immediately closed travel from China and right on queue the virtue signaling a-holes in the MSM labelled him a racist.  Turns out China was stockpiling and buying all kinds of PPE from all over the world as early as November 2019.  A major reason we had a shortage.  What intelligence picked up on that?  Those agencies were too busy spying on US citizens and concocting treasonous plots against a sitting President to worry about China.          

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18 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

What intelligence is that?  He immediately closed travel from China and right on queue the virtue signaling a-holes in the MSM labelled him a racist.  Turns out China was stockpiling and buying all kinds of PPE from all over the world as early as November 2019.  A major reason we had a shortage.  What intelligence picked up on that?  Those agencies were too busy spying on US citizens and concocting treasonous plots against a sitting President to worry about China.          


You don’t think the United States - who invests more on intelligence and spends way more than any other country on defense - didn’t know in November 2019 what China was doing? They did. 

 

Or were they tooo focused surveilling US news reporters?

 

Trump knew and did jack.

 

And lastly - this BS about Trump stopping travel from China?

 

1) Not true - air travel still commenced 

2) Trump never once shared the severity of the virus and then out of the blue “shuts down” air travel?  This, after a Muslim ban - that administration lost all credibility.

 

But yea - 500,000 people died on Trumps watch because Trump - the master manipulator and marketer - controlled everything - including Fauci.

 

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Bulllllllllllllllllllllllchit

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1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

And it's still all Trump's fault.

When you act like such a deplorable ahole egomaniac, you divide the world into those who love and adore you, and those who hate you.  There’s no way the msm spin machine wasn’t full forced pinning the entire pandemic on him. 
 

Most in the political sphere take all impacting international crises like these and garner overwhelming support. Instead he was bickering with governors and health experts. 
 

I mean Cuomo took center stage nationally as a darling while killing elderly, dodging federal data inquiries and harassing women. But his pressers were so good!
 

it’s all about the messaging.

 

the goal isn’t to influence the thinkers, it’s always to cultivate the flock. 

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28 minutes ago, BillStime said:


You don’t think the United States - who invests more on intelligence and spends way more than any other country on defense - didn’t know in November 2019 what China was doing? They did. 

 

Or were they tooo focused surveilling US news reporters?

 

Trump knew and did jack.

 

And lastly - this BS about Trump stopping travel from China?

 

1) Not true - air travel still commenced 

2) Trump never once shared the severity of the virus and then out of the blue “shuts down” air travel?  This, after a Muslim ban - that administration lost all credibility.

 

But yea - 500,000 people died on Trumps watch because Trump - the master manipulator and marketer - controlled everything - including Fauci.

 

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Bulllllllllllllllllllllllchit

 

What a load of garbage.  

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16 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

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Absolutely! 👍

 

We all need to be open to the fact that we are not always right in our views...someone else may know something we don’t...

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49 minutes ago, BillStime said:


You don’t think the United States - who invests more on intelligence and spends way more than any other country on defense - didn’t know in November 2019 what China was doing? They did. 

 

Or were they tooo focused surveilling US news reporters?

 

Trump knew and did jack.

 

And lastly - this BS about Trump stopping travel from China?

 

1) Not true - air travel still commenced 

2) Trump never once shared the severity of the virus and then out of the blue “shuts down” air travel?  This, after a Muslim ban - that administration lost all credibility.

 

But yea - 500,000 people died on Trumps watch because Trump - the master manipulator and marketer - controlled everything - including Fauci.

 

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What a pathetic liar you are! TDS has got you good and it's funny as hell!

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Just now, Big Gun said:

What a pathetic liar you are! TDS has got you good and it's funny as hell!

 

LMAO - it's ok "Big" Gun... living in denial in fun - it's the Trumpian way:

 

deny discredit discount deflect delay deceive divide dulcify distract destroy denigrate

 

ETTD

 

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24 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

What a load of garbage.  

 

Look at you all deny who was President of the United States during COVID  -  hilarious!

 

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19 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

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Odd considering your response to the truth that has been slapping you in the face for 24 hours.  You really don't want to hear you've been played by Augustus Fauci for the last 16 months, who along with media help did what they could to make Trump the villain in the middle of an election that distracted you from the following FACTS:

 

 

1. Fauci knew where it came from and it wasn't a wet market - Trump suggested this and was vilified

2. Fauci knows if you get it you develop potentially life long immunity

3. He knew masks did Jack ***t

4. He knew we were funding indirectly the research in Wuhan

5. He knew that asymptomatic spread is a lie 

6. He worked with Silicon Valley to have HIS advice be the only advice you should follow.  

7. He never took a position on schools as strongly as he did with protesting - the ones he said were necessary not the ones he called "not helpful" (protests against economic and livelihood destroying CCP style lockdowns). 

 

Oh yea Bill....one more thing.....he deliberately lied to Congress 

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