SCBills Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: For the people who don’t understand an Interior Oline pick. They have below average starting Guards, a Center with injury history, and multiple guys on 1 year deals. Eventually we have to stop playing the 1 year deal game with the interior offensive line depth It makes sense, but I think we should also understand how using our top 2 picks as building blocks for the future would have people some type of way. We’re a SB contender and KC seems to have retooled and looks to be as good as last year, while our division got a ton better. There’s something to be said for continuity and building a contender year in/year out, but the only change we’ve really made of significance is replacing Brown with Sanders. Edited April 30, 2021 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: What a draft for the Jags if they land Lawrence, Etienne, Barmore, and JOK... dang. I guess it pays to suck 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 minute ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: No clue how accurate they are, but using drafttek's trade value chart: 61 = 292 93 = 128 161 = 25.4 174 = 20.2 213 = 4.6 236 = 1 and 45 = 450 61 + 93 = 420 in value, so if we're doing equal value, then we would just have to add 161 and 213 to get to a total of 450 in value. Then we still would have 174 and 236. And that's without factoring in possibly adding a mid-round 2022 pick. Yeah, it can be done, but I feel like that'll leave the draft pick cupboard pretty bare. This is a team with only 4 safeties, and they need another TE, a WR burner, and obviously a CB. If we do move up, I think it'll be pretty minor. As for trading next year's picks, the Bills didn't really lose anyone, so they aren't going to be getting any comp picks. They cut John Brown, so they won't get a return on him. Dean Marlowe is really the only guy, but that's compensated for (in spades) by the Sanders signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted April 30, 2021 Author Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, SCBills said: It makes sense, but I think we should also understand how using our top 2 picks as building blocks for the future would have people some type of way. We’re a SB contender and KC seems to have retooled and looks to be as good as last year, while our division got a ton better. There’s something to be said for continuity and building a contender year in/year out, but the only change we’ve really made of significance is replacing Brown with Sanders. I get it I do but if that was the case Rousseau wouldn’t have been the pick. Beane point blank told everyone they were thinking more long than short term. Just cause people don’t want to hear it doesn’t mean it’s true. The Bills have to find a way to fit Allen and Edmunds into their still tight cap next year. Guess how their gonna find that money? Jerry Hughes, Mario Addison, Mitch Morse are 3 of the highest earners. They already found the DE replacment. Guess what’s going to happen at some point. They are going to find Morse’s replacement Edited April 30, 2021 by gonzo1105 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Just now, dave mcbride said: Yeah, it can be done, but I feel like that'll leave the draft pick cupboard pretty bare. This is a team with only 4 safeties, and they need another TE, a WR burner, and obviously a CB. If we do move up, I think it'll be pretty minor. As for trading next year's picks, the Bills didn't really lose anyone, so they aren't going to be getting any comp picks. They cut John Brown, so they won't get a return on him. Dean Marlowe is really the only guy, but that's compensated for (in spades) by the Sanders signing. I'm not necessarily pushing that exact trade, but if a player falls I could see McBeane giving up some picks this year and next year to go up and get a guy they like as they have done multiple times. One thing I keep hearing that I generally agree with is that the Bills' current roster is currently pretty filled out, so trading up for one quality player makes more sense this year because he would be more likely to make the roster. Keep in mind there will be players picked up after the draft, both current and future FAs and UDFAs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: I'm not necessarily pushing that exact trade, but if a player falls I could see McBeane giving up some picks this year and next year to go up and get a guy they like as they have done multiple times. One thing I keep hearing that I generally agree with is that the Bills' current roster is currently pretty filled out, so trading up for one quality player makes more sense this year because he would be more likely to make the roster. Keep in mind there will be players picked up after the draft, both current and future FAs and UDFAs. #2 CB 1 Tech DT OL Speed WR RB 2 picks tonight and 4 picks Saturday. Zero reason why we need 6 picks when those are the only spots guys could make the team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Brennan Huff said: I see Beane moving up in the 2nd. Probably for a corner He better get ahead of Dallas at 44. I watched a lot of the Cowboys Draft Show the past couple of months. It includes Dane Brugler and Bucky Brooks, among others. Dallas will definitely pick one at 44, if they don't move up to get one. Sounded like they liked Samuel a lot. Could also see Joseph going there, high upside but lower floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 hours ago, SCBills said: It makes sense, but I think we should also understand how using our top 2 picks as building blocks for the future would have people some type of way. We’re a SB contender and KC seems to have retooled and looks to be as good as last year, while our division got a ton better. There’s something to be said for continuity and building a contender year in/year out, but the only change we’ve really made of significance is replacing Brown with Sanders. How did our division get a ton better? One of the people on NFL Network said Dolphins had great first round. Dolphins Had two first round picks. Waddle looks like solid pick and fills a need. Jaelan Phillips is confusing, first edge rusher taken. He played two years at UCLA and retired from football in 2018 (concussions) and left UCLA. Transferred to Miami and played during weird 2020 season. Isn’t there red flags there? As for the rest of AFC East, Jets replaced Sam Darnold with Sam Darnold. Patriots? Mac Jones? Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 minute ago, chris heff said: How did our division get a ton better? One of the people on NFL Network said Dolphins had great first round. Dolphins Had two first round picks. Waddle looks like solid pick and fills a need. Jaelan Phillips is confusing, first edge rusher taken. He played two years at UCLA and retired from football in 2018 (concussions) and left UCLA. Transferred to Miami and played during weird 2020 season. Isn’t there red flags there? As for the rest of AFC East, Jets replaced Sam Darnold with Sam Darnold. Patriots? Mac Jones? Who knows? Our division was a joke last year. I actually like the Dolphins picks. Being held back by Tua doesn’t mean their team isn’t better. Pats have a decent team around Mac Jones, even if I’m not too worried about him either. Both teams have the potential to be playoff teams. Jets still aren’t very good, but they aren’t a tomato can like last year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 3 hours ago, wppete said: I wouldn’t mind trading up a little using out 5ths and going after Asante Samuel Jr. likely gonna take a whole lot more than that to move up, even a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, SCBills said: #2 CB 1 Tech DT OL Speed WR RB 2 picks tonight and 4 picks Saturday. Zero reason why we need 6 picks when those are the only spots guys could make the team. A TE could definitely make the team. You also forgot safety, where there's an actual hole with the departure of Marlowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 The love for Meinerz is asinine and a perfect illustration of what is wrong with draft season. Let’s take a player from the lowest possible competition level who was just okay there, train him up in the year and a half he isn’t playing football, have him go to the senior bowl where he can hold his own for one week and make people fall in love with him based on his personality and belly, and he’ll get drafted in the second round. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: I'm not necessarily pushing that exact trade, but if a player falls I could see McBeane giving up some picks this year and next year to go up and get a guy they like as they have done multiple times. One thing I keep hearing that I generally agree with is that the Bills' current roster is currently pretty filled out, so trading up for one quality player makes more sense this year because he would be more likely to make the roster. Keep in mind there will be players picked up after the draft, both current and future FAs and UDFAs. Beane giving up next year's pick in this draft is like him moving back, not gonna happen.... Edit: also next year's class should be deep seeing how thin this one is. Good draft to keep your capital in, good players should be available every round 1 hour ago, turftoe said: He better get ahead of Dallas at 44. I watched a lot of the Cowboys Draft Show the past couple of months. It includes Dane Brugler and Bucky Brooks, among others. Dallas will definitely pick one at 44, if they don't move up to get one. Sounded like they liked Samuel a lot. Could also see Joseph going there, high upside but lower floor. They certainly need one and I expected them to snag Newsome once the other 2 were gone, made a nice pick though. Rd2 they will move to get a cb if they have to. They won't get shut out again Edited April 30, 2021 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Beane giving up next year's pick in this draft is like him moving back, not gonna happen.... Edit: also next year's class should be deep seeing how thin this one is. Good draft to keep your capital in, good players should be available every round. Yeah I have not suggested and would not suggest involving anything higher than a 4th next year. That’s just if they really like a guy and see the need to move up. If we do want to move up, then I’d ideally like to involve only picks from this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 hours ago, turftoe said: He better get ahead of Dallas at 44. I watched a lot of the Cowboys Draft Show the past couple of months. It includes Dane Brugler and Bucky Brooks, among others. Dallas will definitely pick one at 44, if they don't move up to get one. Sounded like they liked Samuel a lot. Could also see Joseph going there, high upside but lower floor. Dallas HAS to get a corner. They were fools not to take one in the first, in my opinion. All those high-pick LBs they have helped produce the worst Cowboys defense in team history. Their corners couldn't cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DolFAN93 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, SCBills said: I actually like the Dolphins picks. Being held back by Tua doesn’t mean their team isn’t better. The Waddle pick transforms their offense. Defenses didn't just show little respect to Tua, they showed little respect to Miami's receivers too because they didn't have a deep threat. Everyone just put their safeties in the box. Adding Will Fuller, and now Jaylen Waddle, is going to open their offense up and allow them to get a run game going. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: The other way of looking at it is if you can find cheap IOL depth on 1 and 2 year deals every year why commit high value draft assets to the position? Focus those assets on the spots where cheap starters do not come easy in FA. I think IOL is still possible somewhere in the draft... but not before the 3rd round. Yet our biggest competitor the Chiefs value G so high they are paying a guy $16m a year to play there ... Edited April 30, 2021 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) Its painful to see a mock like this as so many players that I'd love to see the Bills pick are getting picked off one after the other.... Edited April 30, 2021 by cage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Told that it is Campbell to Jax at 33 and Ojulari to the Jets at 34. Night two starts at 35. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Looking back on this Round #2 mock..... we got two players that are in the top half of this version! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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