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3 hours ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

Former President Trump inviting Kaepernick to discuss race relations is right up there with Rodman meeting Kim Jong Un to discuss world peace.

 

 

 

As I said, the act alone would have shown Kaepernick's willingness to discuss matters with an authority figure.

 

You may not like the person or people you are working with, but if you can find common ground on an issue and get to work on negotiating said issues, that would be progress, and would show leadership. 

 

Kaepernick chose not to do any of this. Which makes me wonder just how much he really wants things to change.

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I truly thought it was from the Onion at first 

How does someone who accomplished so little get so much attention?

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On 5/11/2021 at 11:15 AM, YoloinOhio said:

I haven’t seen, met or heard any Buckeye fans who hope he fails or feel scorned. Maybe if he had gone to another big college program that would compete in recruiting or on the field with Ohio state, but not this. He’s revered in Columbus and by Buckeye fans in general. He’s opening his second restaurant here on Saturday. His son in law is the QB coach at OSU.  He’s still attached to the program. It’s his oldest daughter’s livelihood. It’s why he took one of “his guys” with him to Jax from Ohio state , he didn’t want to hurt the program. People love him for that. And naturally Buckeye fans are VERY happy with the Ryan Day era so that helps too. I can’t speak for Florida fans, I know things didn’t end well there and there was a lot of bitterness there. As you know that was not the case here and though I was never a huge urban fan myself, I respect his program building and recruiting prowess  in particular.

 

regardless the insider isn’t just a Buckeye “fan” so to speak, he’s a recruiting insider by trade with a ton of connections. He tells it like he hears it and knows it. Does not sugar coat. Concisely, he said —. People in the organization don't like him.he’s also hearing that there is trouble with the GM which doesn't surprise him. The strength coach deal was a disaster. Signing Tebow is stupid. If he takes a roster spot from a real player the guys on that team won't like it. I'm not going to be surprised if he flames out. —-

 

 He’s extremely hard to work for but people do it because he wins. They see a path for themselves hitching to him. If that path dissolves, it’s not worth it. If they aren’t winning, his approach is just going to wear on people more. He swings a huge stick and that can work on college where he’s respected and proven. That doesn’t work where he’s unproven. The only two people he knows who actually liked working for him are Chris ash and a player who is on the insider board who also coached for him briefly... now THAT guy thinks everything urban does walks on water and he’s very close to the family so never says a negative thing. He thinks he will be great. So there you go. 

 

 

Thx for the information. Hey I just listened to the cris collinsworth podcast and he did the whole thing with Urban!  It’s a good listen.  My impressions are this guy has a detailed vision regarding winning in the NFL. He signed Tebow to a 1 year , no guarantee  deal and frankly he may just find a position inthe organization for  him as urban said the assistant coaches were responsible for suggesting Tebow who  , apparently is in phenomenal shape ( funny enough I have watched Tebow as he played HS football at Nease HS here in my hometown of Ponte vedra Fl.; it’s a small world  and while he was not an NFL QB, he is a phenomenal athlete. Urban said he was not present at Tebows workouts so who knows? )  Urban is something like 180-12 , ( 12 -3 bowl game record) as a football coach, so while it’s his initial NFL season, it’s still football and it’s his life long passion. As an analogy , I am board certified in Family practice, a specialty now. However , medicine fields have a lot of overlap so I have done fam practice, run an inpatient eating disorder unit, run a chemical dependacy and rehab unit, worked in ER’s , been a Med director for a workmans Comp organization, and most enjoyably , was. NE Florida Med director for urgent care clinics named Solantic, owned by Senator ( prior governor of Fl ) Rick Scott.( who is an utter ass, criminal , terrible human who I witnessed  fire or not hire people based on body weight. I know lots of bad things about him, but enough people are “fans” who voted for him!).    My point is to a big degree medicine  is medicine and you can adjust to subtleties on the fly! I won’t ever be a NEURO or cardiac surgeon , but any dr can do multiple things if you have passion for it. 
 

Urban has the expertise , passion, past success, and hey,,,,it is football snd not rocket science or neurosurgery.  He LOOKED RELAXED AND HAPPY during the podcast.  He stated his relationship with the OWNER is good and he is being provided with what he needs. Jax is apparently bottom 5 in the league with soft tissue injuries, so that might explain his bad judgement regarding the strength guy)  I would love to meet or know more about you as I respect your work here , know your Bills passion, know now you are a Columbus, Ohio State person , and I would guess you have had a successful career ( sorry I don’t know more).  Based on that , I would bet you know that when you are as successful As Urban, as a leader his ultimate measurement of success is not based on being liked, it’s about the ROI, how much you win, national titles etc.  It’s rare to reach his level of success without bypassing others, hurting some feelings , and driving a vision he was the architect of which will make enemies along the way! ( hey , Rick Scott hates me and vice versa as I fought against him defrauding Medicare of millions, but ultimately he smeared and stepped on me , and LoL, look who is a rich Fl senator now!). Urban has a vision of team building for success, and all I am saying is I wouldn’t bet against guys like him who have no significant history of failure wherever they coached. 
 

The other side of the analogy or spectrum as we both know is a guy like REX RYAN!    Guy knew football, but I think we would agree , that was the definition of flaming out!  Fired after only 2 seasons while utilizing nepotism on his way out of the league!   I would argue as a leader it’s better to not be liked by those under you while achieving goals, in contrast to being a popular guy with the press; apparently being liked but ultimately never respected, and in the end having never won any major titles or goals.  If you have time ( 30 min) check out that podcast and afterwards see if you really believe Urban will  “ flame out” like a so called proven NFL coach Ryan actually managed.  While fans may revere Urban , it’s no surprise some working with him will say bad things at times. It’s the nature of getting to be one of only 32 people in the world at a given time with his job title. He has a vision he clearly articulates and I am just saying I bet he has more success than many prior so called NFL coaches. I would be shocked if he leaves the league before becoming a winning coach. It may be too big a task to win a SB here in Jax , but hey , we have had no better success in Buffalo YET, and I bet he ends up with a better final NFL win % than some of the bozos we have had as coaches of the Bills!  😀😊😂

 

Best wishes Yolo; how great is it to open at home against the Steelers!?  Winning that opener is a big moral boost , esp for us fans. So glad we did not open on the road against Brady as I think our team will need to build up over a few games to challenge Him and his 20 years of Bills dominance! 

 

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On 5/12/2021 at 1:46 AM, Mark Vader said:

Yes, we can only do what we can. That being said, Kaepernick has a much bigger platform than most people do.

 

Is it within Kaepernick's wheelhouse? Absolutely! He brought the attention to this issue, did he not? Does he really want things to change and get better for people in the black community? Talking to officials or leaders in communities, people with real clout would show leadership.

Reaching out to leaders in the cities and states and communicating with chiefs of police to discuss the problems in these communities would go a long ways in attempting to bring change.

President Trump invited Kaepernick to the White House to discuss these issues, and Kaepernick turned him down.

Even if he had accepted Trump's offer and nothing positive came of it, the attempt to discuss the issues with him, would have spoke volumes to me and I think many other people, but he didn't.

Which makes me wonder, does Kaepernick really want things to change in the black community?

 

Leaving it in better hands? To me that would be a cop out(no pun intended). Don't start what you can't finish, and don't leave all the heavy lifting to those who support you.

I don't know if Tebow does this or not.

 

The only thing that came from Tebow's kneeling was anger and rage from anti-religious boors.

Things changing for the better would hurt Kaepernick's bottom line. I see him as a total grifter tbh. I remember those "workouts" he was holding where he didn't want to follow any of the rules and then complained that he didn't get signed. He doesn't want to play in the NFL, he's making way more money complaining about things.

 

I mean, Madden is including him in their game as a good QB, even though he sucks. If he shut up and played football, he'd be a 3rd string QB with no Nike deal and little social capital, making league min.

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On 5/12/2021 at 11:46 AM, Arkady Renko said:

Can we bring COVID into this discussion please?

Do we know where Tebow lands on the issue of vaccination? Is he getting vaccinated or does he need to see more "evidence"?

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On 5/11/2021 at 3:17 PM, SirAndrew said:

True, but he didn’t earn a spot in AAA. The Mets used him to generate interest. I really don’t care, it’s just clear that Tebow gets opportunities few other athletes are granted. I’m not upset by Tebow living his life, but I also don’t understand why some are offended by others pointing out the fact Tebow hasn’t really earned any of this. I’m willing to listen when Tebow becomes a productive tight end. I’m also willing to admit I’m wrong at that point. 

He won the Heisman trophy, won two national championships, was a 2x First-team All-American, and was a 2x SEC Player of the Year, and... was out of the NFL after just 3 seasons (apart from a couple of off-season tryouts for a couple teams). This is after going 8-6 as a starter, having a 17:9 TD to Int ratio, and winning a playoff game. Plus he had 6 comeback wins and 6 game winning drives in just those few starts.

 

I would say he has been afforded a normal opportunity given his wild success as a college QB. He is clearly a gifted athlete and has shown that even at the NFL level.

 

I don't think Tebow is a good QB. He just simply isn't a good passer of the football. But to act like he has received special treatment and has been given opportunities he doesn't deserve is just absolutely ridiculous to claim. He was only in the league for 3 seasons. He played some minor league baseball. Are you kidding me?

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NFL coaches bring their favorite old players in all the time.  The difference here is the coach has never been in the NFL before, so he brought in a player who is a hard worker, will do anything the coach asks & is among the coach's favorite former players.  

 

The Bills have a history of doing this as well.  Think of all the ex-Panthers McDermott has brought in.  For us older guys think back to the late 70s & early 80s when Chuck Knox brought a bunch of ex-Rams to Orchard Park.  

 

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1 minute ago, MJS said:

He won the Heisman trophy, won two national championships, was a 2x First-team All-American, and was a 2x SEC Player of the Year, and... was out of the NFL after just 3 seasons (apart from a couple of off-season tryouts for a couple teams). This is after going 8-6 as a starter, having a 17:9 TD to Int ratio, and winning a playoff game. Plus he had 6 comeback wins and 6 game winning drives in just those few starts.

 

I would say he has been afforded a normal opportunity given his wild success as a college QB. He is clearly a gifted athlete and has shown that even at the NFL level.

 

I don't think Tebow is a good QB. He just simply isn't a good passer of the football. But to act like he has received special treatment and has been given opportunities he doesn't deserve is just absolutely ridiculous to claim. He was only in the league for 3 seasons. He played some minor league baseball. Are you kidding me?

Not extremely different to the time the Bills brought a failed 36 year old QB back into the NFL for another try.  Now the player had been great in the CFL during his 8 seasons away from the NFL but he was not changing positions & was not playing football again for the 1st time in years, but it worked out.  You never know.  

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I am truly confused by the hate on the guy- he is a truly great athlete who has done nice things for many people. Bringing him in is no different than us having Christian Wade on our team at the worst. He is unlikely to make the team but all the teams have training camp bodies, he is simply more famous.

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45 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Not extremely different to the time the Bills brought a failed 36 year old QB back into the NFL for another try.  Now the player had been great in the CFL during his 8 seasons away from the NFL but he was not changing positions & was not playing football again for the 1st time in years, but it worked out.  You never know.  

Yes you will

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3 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

NFL coaches bring their favorite old players in all the time.  The difference here is the coach has never been in the NFL before, so he brought in a player who is a hard worker, will do anything the coach asks & is among the coach's favorite former players.  

 

The Bills have a history of doing this as well.  Think of all the ex-Panthers McDermott has brought in.  For us older guys think back to the late 70s & early 80s when Chuck Knox brought a bunch of ex-Rams to Orchard Park.  

 

Will those who have waxed poetic upthread about Tebow taking up a roster spot (from some as yet unknown but more deserving candidate), care to opine on how the freshly signed as TE Kelvin Benjamin somehow also occupies an NFL roster spot despite Tebow’s selfishness? 🤔

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3 hours ago, MJS said:

He won the Heisman trophy, won two national championships, was a 2x First-team All-American, and was a 2x SEC Player of the Year, and... was out of the NFL after just 3 seasons (apart from a couple of off-season tryouts for a couple teams). This is after going 8-6 as a starter, having a 17:9 TD to Int ratio, and winning a playoff game. Plus he had 6 comeback wins and 6 game winning drives in just those few starts.

 

I would say he has been afforded a normal opportunity given his wild success as a college QB. He is clearly a gifted athlete and has shown that even at the NFL level.

 

I don't think Tebow is a good QB. He just simply isn't a good passer of the football. But to act like he has received special treatment and has been given opportunities he doesn't deserve is just absolutely ridiculous to claim. He was only in the league for 3 seasons. He played some minor league baseball. Are you kidding me?

I’m actually happy for Tebow, I’m not trying to bring anyone down. It’s just clear that Meyer is doing Tebow a favor by giving him a chance. Tebow bust out of the league as a QB, and is now 33 years old. How many guys have returned at a new position after failing as an NFL QB. A 33 year old former QB learning to play TE doesn’t seem very practical. I also have no issue with his attempt at minor league baseball. I just think it’s disingenuous to say he was a AAA level player. The Mets needed publicity, and Urban Meyer thinks he’s an asset. There’s nothing inherently wrong with those things, but I also think it’s fair to point them out. 

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IF Tebow makes the team and actually plays, I’m assuming it’ll be as QB or maybe RB in an RPO situation.  Short yardage and goalline. 

would anyone be shocked if he actually had some success in that role?  The dude has proven he knows how to get a couple tough yards when necessary.

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I picked-up my son from college this past weekend.  We've been playing Madden once a day since then.  He told me he can't wait to download the latest rosters with Tebow at TE.  I laughed.

 

The funny thing is he wasn't a football fan when Timmy was last in the league, not that it would have registered much since he was 9.  But he knows who he is now.  

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