Prospector Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Alabama is planning on full capacity at Bryant-Denny Stadium this coming season. As is probably the rest of the SEC and Sun Belt Conferences teams. Maybe science is different down South. LOL maybe just a little less irrational hysteria down there 2 1 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 I didn't see any numbers in the article and in my opinion, the cautions will be notably outdated by September 2021. Neither the paper, nor the editorial positions by Alex Piquero and the others seemed to suggest that having fans in attendance was reckless. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Just wondering when this thread should be moved or closed... I can see some people getting into trouble pretty fast (myself included) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock'em Sock'em Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 90% of statistics are completely made up. Did the NYT study isolate attendees vs. non-attendees residing in the same city? Do we even know whether attending the game outdoors actually increases or decreases your risk compared to how you would watch the game otherwise for those particular fans that attended? While I know that staying home in isolation is going to keep you healthy, I'm always skeptical about such studies. Rank the following in terms of riskiness. I would say after #1, nobody really knows. 1. Watch the game home alone, or don't watch the game. 2. Watch the game outdoors with 20,000 other fans. 3. Watch the game at a crowded indoor bar. 4. Watch the game at home with family and friends. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Rock'em Sock'em said: 90% of statistics are completely made up. Did the NYT study isolate attendees vs. non-attendees residing in the same city? Do we even know whether attending the game outdoors actually increases or decreases your risk compared to how you would watch the game otherwise for those particular fans that attended? While I know that staying home in isolation is going to keep you healthy, I'm always skeptical about such studies. Rank the following in terms of riskiness. I would say after #1, nobody really knows. 1. Watch the game home alone, or don't watch the game. 2. Watch the game outdoors with 20,000 other fans. 3. Watch the game at a crowded indoor bar. 4. Watch the game at home with family and friends. They do know that he likelihood is much higher in crowded indoor venues and also with being among friends and family at home. Outdoors is still by far the least risk other than completely isolating. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rock'em Sock'em said: 90% of statistics are completely made up. Did the NYT study isolate attendees vs. non-attendees residing in the same city? Do we even know whether attending the game outdoors actually increases or decreases your risk compared to how you would watch the game otherwise for those particular fans that attended? While I know that staying home in isolation is going to keep you healthy, I'm always skeptical about such studies. Rank the following in terms of riskiness. I would say after #1, nobody really knows. 1. Watch the game home alone, or don't watch the game. 2. Watch the game outdoors with 20,000 other fans. 3. Watch the game at a crowded indoor bar. 4. Watch the game at home with family and friends. Just out of curiosity... does your statistic that 90% of statistics are completely made up fall into the completely made up category? Based on that statistic, it seems there's a 90% chance that that statistic is made up. 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: Would that still be the case if fans are now fully vaccinated? Perhaps the answer is to let only allow people who have been fully vaccinated to attend then. More importantly, would Josh Allen be allowed to attend should he decide to not get vaccinated? 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 minute ago, MPL said: Just out of curiosity... does your statistic that 90% of statistics are completely made up fall into the completely made up category? Based on that statistic, it seems there's a 90% chance that that statistic is made up. nothing gets by you... nice job Mcgyver! you figured out his jest... yeesh 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rock'em Sock'em said: 90% of statistics are completely made up. Did the NYT study isolate attendees vs. non-attendees residing in the same city? Do we even know whether attending the game outdoors actually increases or decreases your risk compared to how you would watch the game otherwise for those particular fans that attended? While I know that staying home in isolation is going to keep you healthy, I'm always skeptical about such studies. Rank the following in terms of riskiness. I would say after #1, nobody really knows. 1. Watch the game home alone, or don't watch the game. 2. Watch the game outdoors with 20,000 other fans. 3. Watch the game at a crowded indoor bar. 4. Watch the game at home with family and friends. It was not a NYT study. It was a study lead out of Alabama and published in the Lancet. The NYT is just linking to the Medical Journal. The study did not appear to look at attendees versus non-attendees and made no judgement to that fact. What it stated was that the communities around the NFL stadiums saw spikes that did not correlate to the rest of the areas and those spikes appeared 2-3 weeks after each game with >5000 fans. The study as far as I saw did not state that the game itself was the cause of the spread - only that it is note worthy that these increases occurred consistently after more than 5000 fans gathered at games. It was not seen in communities after games in which fans were not present. The study believes (as you would expect with this illness) that the gathering of the large number of people whether in the stadium or in the travel and activities surrounding the game - dinner, bars, tailgating, waiting in line, dealing with security, grocery shopping the night before, etc. all could lead to spread with the game as the epicenter - the force bringing the people together - I did not see the original author trying to state the game was a bad thing - just that the data suggests an increase in cases surrounding the game. It is no different than the huge spikes seen after Thanksgiving and Christmas because more people travelled and got together. The different risk factors are irrelevant - they fact that NFL games and fans may have lead to a spike should not be a surprise. 12 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Suffering Fan Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: ughhhhhhhhhh i hateeeeeee this damn virus When I first read this I thought it was your suffering as you succumbed to the virus. Like you were being funny about how you were going to live your life and then then tacked that on on the end. That's ridiculous, he wouldn't type that out, he would just say it.... ...perhaps he was dictating. Too much Monty Python... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 People don't really care anymore... They just want to do whatever they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 40 minutes ago, MPL said: More importantly, would Josh Allen be allowed to attend should he decide to not get vaccinated? 🤯🤯🤯 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Alabama is planning on full capacity at Bryant-Denny Stadium this coming season. As is probably the rest of the SEC and Sun Belt Conferences teams. Maybe science is different down South. LOL The NFL is planning full capacity too I'm pretty sure science is the same down South. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Prospector said: Just wondering when this thread should be moved or closed... I can see some people getting into trouble pretty fast (myself included) Believe me, I'm wondering the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) Texas Rangers had a full crowd two days ago. If in 2-3 weeks, there's no spike in cases linked to the attendees, or if there is, we can learn from it. UFC will hold events with full crowds too So by the time NFL season starts, we should have a much better idea. Who can trust fear mongering media these days unless your mind is already made up that the way we humans lived from day 1 to March 2020 is never possible again? At least Texas is doing real "testing" of crowds. We'll see soon enough. I mean, if it's bad it'll be all over the news so we have to keep an eye on what goes there as if it's all well and dandy, media will be silent. Either way, it will be telling. Edited April 7, 2021 by Jerome007 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Prospector said: Just wondering when this thread should be moved or closed... I can see some people getting into trouble pretty fast (myself included) We need a board appointed attorney...somebody free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: Texas Rangers had a full crowd two days ago. If in 2-3 weeks, there's no spike in cases linked to the attendees, will most of you still fear this as the medieval plague? UFC will hold events with full crowds too So by the time NFL season starts, we should have a much better idea. Who can trust fear mongering media these days unless your mind is already made up that the way we humans lived from day 1 to March 2020 is never possible again? At least Texas is doing real "testing" of crowds. We'll see soon enough. I mean, if it's bad it'll be all over the news so we have to keep an eye on what goes there as if it's all well and dandy, media will be silent. Either way, it will be telling. I listen to Drs and Nurses. I have family in the medical field 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Heres the thing, by Sept everyone in America will have had an opportunity to get the vaccine, and if they haven't we'd know about it. By that point, if you're not protected, that's on you. What the Rangers are doing NOW is crazy, but if they waited till Sept? No problems 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, nucci said: I listen to Drs and Nurses. I have family in the medical field I would think a lot of board members do. My wife is in the field.. and most of the doctors and specialists she works with also say things are way too restrictive. Just now, appoo said: Heres the thing, by Sept everyone in America will have had an opportunity to get the vaccine, and if they haven't we'd know about it. By that point, if you're not protected, that's on you. What the Rangers are doing NOW is crazy, but if they waited till Sept? No problems can't tell if the last sentence was serious or sarcasm 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, nucci said: I listen to Drs and Nurses. I have family in the medical field And some of those people are crazy, I know Edited April 7, 2021 by HOUSE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, Prospector said: I would think a lot of board members do. My wife is in the field.. and most of the doctors and specialists she works with also say things are way too restrictive. can't tell if the last sentence was serious or sarcasm I think what the Rangers are allowing is batcrap crazy and wildly irresponsible. The vaccine hasn't remotely gotten enough chance to get to enough people. This is all about risk to the community. Without accesible vaccine, big gathering are a huge, unneccesary, risk. With vaccine coverage, the risk to the community is mostly gone. If I'm vaccinated, and my family and loved ones are vaccinated. What do I care if you are or aren't vaccinated? Then it really is down to personal choice. You're not a risk to me and mine whether or not you have COVID. In Sept/October, I would hope all sports in the US have full crowds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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