Rochesterfan Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Max Fischer said: Other than QB, WR depth is a Bills Achilles Heal. If any of the top-4 go down, the offensive doesn’t function near as well without an elite corps. I like McKenzie but the Bills could use a season long upgrade like Moore ( who would then take over for Sanders and/or Beasley next year. This is a totally ridiculous comment. The Bills are running right now with 5 WRs that have starting talent (Diggs, Davis, Beasley, Sanders, and McKenzie) and they have multiple young players on the roster like Hodgkins, Kumerow, and Gentry all before the draft - two guys that have started in the NFL and a redshirt rookie. If Moore is available and the best player - great draft him, but WR depth is not an issue - if any of the top 4 go down - they have multiple players that have already been a NFL WR ready to step in. I love their WR room right now and if they can add even more great, but I am not of the mindset that depth here is an Achilles Heel. Heck last season they were winning playoff games and the starting 4 guys were all injured and they have more depth now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 36 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said: I think Hubbard's ankle was bad all season before he finally stopped playing on it. He didn't have a great 2020 but it looked like he could barely cut on that ankle all year. I didn't think he was a 4.36 guy but he's no slouch. Ran for Canada in the final of the World Youth Games in the 100m. I really like him if his ankle checks out 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabden Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 21 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: I get that Sanders and Bease aren't youngsters anymore. But QB and WR are - by far I think - the two most talented position groups on the team right now. If Moore is as good as you think he is, drafting him at #30 still makes sense. But the Bills have a number of needs. It would be interesting - to say the least - if Beane decided not to address one of them in the first round. It's called keeping the pipeline fresh/full. Beane has addressed a lot of the team needs in FA, positioning the team to pick BPA. Moore seems to fit that bill at pick 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: This is a totally ridiculous comment. The Bills are running right now with 5 WRs that have starting talent (Diggs, Davis, Beasley, Sanders, and McKenzie) and they have multiple young players on the roster like Hodgkins, Kumerow, and Gentry all before the draft - two guys that have started in the NFL and a redshirt rookie. If Moore is available and the best player - great draft him, but WR depth is not an issue - if any of the top 4 go down - they have multiple players that have already been a NFL WR ready to step in. I love their WR room right now and if they can add even more great, but I am not of the mindset that depth here is an Achilles Heel. Heck last season they were winning playoff games and the starting 4 guys were all injured and they have more depth now. I think it is stretching things quite a bit to say that McKenzie is starting caliber. I *hope* that Hodgkins can be a contributor, but he was a late pick for a reason. His redshirt year last year didn't make him faster or more sudden (the reasons he was drafted late). Other two listed are camp bodies with possibility to make the team, but not guys who should deter a team from drafting a WR. 2 hours ago, Iverwig said: Just being biased I want the Bills to draft me. With no bias I want Etienne, Phillips or Ojulari in that order. Where would Ojulari play? I like that he can rush the passer, but are you going to play him at LB in the Bills' D or can he hold up at DE being 240lbs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: I think it is stretching things quite a bit to say that McKenzie is starting caliber. I *hope* that Hodgkins can be a contributor, but he was a late pick for a reason. His redshirt year last year didn't make him faster or more sudden (the reasons he was drafted late). Other two listed are camp bodies with possibility to make the team, but not guys who should deter a team from drafting a WR. Where would Ojulari play? I like that he can rush the passer, but are you going to play him at LB in the Bills' D or can he hold up at DE being 240lbs? He could play DE 30% of the downs as a pass rusher year one until he adds 15 pounds of muscle for his second year with an increased snap count. But make no mistake he's a DE on this team. Edited April 5, 2021 by TheBeaneBandit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 I honestly didn't watch as much college football this year so i don't have an opinion. Players I've remembered wanting before? Russell Wilson in the trade up for Graham - I was so sure that's what we were doing.... just an absolute failure. Dez Bryant the year we drafted Spiller. Allen over Rosen. There were bad ones too though Treadwell in 2016 Geno and Te'o in 2013 Maybin in 2009 Quinn in 2007 Leinart in 2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustWinPlease Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Jaelan Phillips. Just get a pass-rusher. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 32 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: I think it is stretching things quite a bit to say that McKenzie is starting caliber. I *hope* that Hodgkins can be a contributor, but he was a late pick for a reason. His redshirt year last year didn't make him faster or more sudden (the reasons he was drafted late). Other two listed are camp bodies with possibility to make the team, but not guys who should deter a team from drafting a WR. Where would Ojulari play? I like that he can rush the passer, but are you going to play him at LB in the Bills' D or can he hold up at DE being 240lbs? He’s a DE for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 3 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: This is a totally ridiculous comment. The Bills are running right now with 5 WRs that have starting talent (Diggs, Davis, Beasley, Sanders, and McKenzie) and they have multiple young players on the roster like Hodgkins, Kumerow, and Gentry all before the draft - two guys that have started in the NFL and a redshirt rookie. If Moore is available and the best player - great draft him, but WR depth is not an issue - if any of the top 4 go down - they have multiple players that have already been a NFL WR ready to step in. I love their WR room right now and if they can add even more great, but I am not of the mindset that depth here is an Achilles Heel. Heck last season they were winning playoff games and the starting 4 guys were all injured and they have more depth now. We can all agree that this team wins due its passing game. We can also agree that nagging injuries to Diggs, Beasely and Brown meant they struggled to beat the Chiefs secondary. Injuries happen and if this team is going to win the Super Bowl it should have a great deal of depth at WR. Sanders is 34, Beasely has had a few nagging injuries, I like McKenzie but he's not a starter; and neither are Hodgkins, Kumerow and Gentry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 35 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s a DE for sure Can he hold up there? I understand that it is rare to find Reggie White types who are great pass rushers and great run stoppers, but I would worry that Ojulari will be destroyed in the run game or, if he bulks up will he lose his speed and rush effectiveness? I am not saying that I would be disappointed if they took Ojulari, only that he doesn't seem to fit the Bills' defense that well - at least at present. If he can put on 10 pounds of muscle without losing speed/quickness - well, he would still be quite small for a 4-3 DE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Max Fischer said: We can all agree that this team wins due its passing game. We can also agree that nagging injuries to Diggs, Beasely and Brown meant they struggled to beat the Chiefs secondary. Injuries happen and if this team is going to win the Super Bowl it should have a great deal of depth at WR. Sanders is 34, Beasely has had a few nagging injuries, I like McKenzie but he's not a starter; and neither are Hodgkins, Kumerow and Gentry. I'm open to drafting a replacement/upgrade to mckenzie as a returner/gadget player. But he played 25% of offensive snaps, and that was with essentially a start in week 17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I really like him if his ankle checks out Especially if there’s a chance of him lasting into rd 5. Trade up and snag him. He can take it to the house. Dunno how I’d feel if he were our 3rd rd pick though. I don’t like him nearly as much as Gainwell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 1 minute ago, dneveu said: I'm open to drafting a replacement/upgrade to mckenzie as a returner/gadget player. But he played 25% of offensive snaps, and that was with essentially a start in week 17. Again, McKenzie is best person on the roster for the role he's asked to perform. I think he does it well, but there's a reason he's not a starter on another team. I appreciate McKenzie's comments that wanted to stay in Buffalo but if he was offered a starting slot receiver money he'd be gone. Moreover, McKenzie did well in Week 17 when the starters sat (or out with injuries), but if he's no where near a healthy Sanders, Beasley or even Davis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 If there were any real way to move up and take Kyle Pitts, that'd be awesome. But they don't have the ammo to get up in the top ten where he's gonna go. Other than that I'm not real attached to any one prospect. I think if there's a dynamic offensive player hanging around at 30 then that could be the pick. It's more of a gamble this year than usual because of the opt outs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 On 4/4/2021 at 11:01 AM, NewEra said: I was banging the table for Antonio Gibson last year. He was my ONE guy. Same. This year, it’s Quinn Meinerz. Both of those guys just made it look unfair. Whenever I see a guy like that, I’m all in. There’s always a chance it’s the Kimbo Slice effect and they’re just beating up on inferior competition, but either way I’m here for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 18 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Can he hold up there? I understand that it is rare to find Reggie White types who are great pass rushers and great run stoppers, but I would worry that Ojulari will be destroyed in the run game or, if he bulks up will he lose his speed and rush effectiveness? I am not saying that I would be disappointed if they took Ojulari, only that he doesn't seem to fit the Bills' defense that well - at least at present. If he can put on 10 pounds of muscle without losing speed/quickness - well, he would still be quite small for a 4-3 DE. To me you're taking Ojulari as a PURE pass-rush specialist this year and slowly grooming him to take over for Hughes. A future Ojulari in the 255/260 range could probably at least not be a liability in the run game, and you're hoping that his pass rushing ability -- in a league that's going increasingly pass heavy, gives you a healthy ROI. I don't think he's a great fit in an even front, much better standing up in a 3-4 type defense, but that's the logic that you could take with it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 21 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Can he hold up there? I understand that it is rare to find Reggie White types who are great pass rushers and great run stoppers, but I would worry that Ojulari will be destroyed in the run game or, if he bulks up will he lose his speed and rush effectiveness? I am not saying that I would be disappointed if they took Ojulari, only that he doesn't seem to fit the Bills' defense that well - at least at present. If he can put on 10 pounds of muscle without losing speed/quickness - well, he would still be quite small for a 4-3 DE. He sounds pretty similar to Epenesa in that regard. Is there a need for another similar type player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 22 minutes ago, NewEra said: Especially if there’s a chance of him lasting into rd 5. Trade up and snag him. He can take it to the house. Dunno how I’d feel if he were our 3rd rd pick though. I don’t like him nearly as much as Gainwell. I agree, the 3rd is too early for Hubbard. I think we will have to trade back into the 4th round to get him. I think the first 3 picks can be used for better positions than RB. I doubt he would last into the 5th round... but you never know w/ RBs they slip down the board sometimes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 22 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: No thank you - his brother was a similar athlete and never panned out. Additionally, Syracuse was a pretty weak D for having draftable players at CB and S - I think those players might be over-hyped. The Gronkowski and Watt families would like a word with you about turning your nose down at one brother just because their sibling wasn't good. I note that none of your criticism has to do with the actual player, just opinions about familial ties and what you think of the program he played for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 2 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: Can he hold up there? I understand that it is rare to find Reggie White types who are great pass rushers and great run stoppers, but I would worry that Ojulari will be destroyed in the run game or, if he bulks up will he lose his speed and rush effectiveness? I am not saying that I would be disappointed if they took Ojulari, only that he doesn't seem to fit the Bills' defense that well - at least at present. If he can put on 10 pounds of muscle without losing speed/quickness - well, he would still be quite small for a 4-3 DE. He’s very good vs the run. He could add 10-15 pounds (he’s only a RS Soph), but if Jerry Hughes can play in this defense then so can he. He doesn’t need to be a day starter, he will have time to develop in the S&C program 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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