H2o Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 Kadarius Toney (Florida) ran a 4.41 40yd dash @ 5'11" and 190lbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrtonHearsaWho Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 22 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Okay based on physique, I am officially declaring for the NFL draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 Jamin Davis/LB/Kentucky 4.49 40yd 41" vert 11' broad jump 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, H2o said: Jamin Davis/LB/Kentucky 4.49 40yd 41" vert 11' broad jump Nice. Love this kid's game. I'm of the opinion that Edmunds is our guy, but if we somehow got a big enough offer for him, I'd love to take Davis as his replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, H2o said: Kadarius Toney (Florida) ran a 4.41 40yd dash @ 5'11" and 190lbs Interesting to see what the nfl FO’s feel about that “4.41”. If they think he’s legit, he’ll be gone before we pick. If they think it’s more like a 4.51, he’ll probably end up rd 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 31 minutes ago, NewEra said: Interesting to see what the nfl FO’s feel about that “4.41”. If they think he’s legit, he’ll be gone before we pick. If they think it’s more like a 4.51, he’ll probably end up rd 2. Watching it live it looked like a sub 4.5 40yd time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, NewEra said: Interesting to see what the nfl FO’s feel about that “4.41”. If they think he’s legit, he’ll be gone before we pick. If they think it’s more like a 4.51, he’ll probably end up rd 2. 5 minutes ago, H2o said: Watching it live it looked like a sub 4.5 40yd time. Couple thoughts on these two comments... Teams don't put as much emphasis on the 40 as draftniks do for a bevy of reasons, but furthermore, Florida is a rich enough program that they almost certainly have GPS data on speed that they're sharing with teams -- that's what will tell the true story of Toney's speed. 100 times out of 100 teams will defer to that data over the 40 because it's non-linear, geared-up, live action, incorporates defenders, etc. Secondly, 40s can be deceiving representations of "speed" and the ability to get deep. My favorite 40 time ever is Chad Johnson running a 4.55. No one would ever accuse Chad Johnson of being "slow" or not being able to get deep coming out of college. These days, teams use the 40 more for an evaluation of explosiveness and dedication to training more so than "how fast a guy is". So sure, with Toney, maybe it was 4.41, maybe it was 4.5, but either way those are very minor data points in the grand evaluation process for him. Frankly, the 3-cone will mean a great deal more than the 40 for a guy like Toney. Edited March 31, 2021 by glazeduck 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, glazeduck said: Couple thoughts on these two comments... Teams don't put as much emphasis on the 40 as draftniks do for a bevy of reasons, but furthermore, Florida is a rich enough program that they almost certainly have GPS data on speed that they're sharing with teams -- that's what will tell the true story of Toney's speed. 100 times out of 100 teams will defer to that data over the 40 because it's non-linear, geared-up, live action, incorporates defenders, etc. Secondly, 40s can be deceiving representations of "speed" and the ability to get deep. My favorite 40 time ever is Chad Johnson running a 4.55. No one would ever accuse Chad Johnson of being "slow" or not being able to get deep coming out of college. These days, teams use the 40 more for an evaluation of explosiveness and dedication to training more so than "how fast a guy is". So sure, with Toney, maybe it was 4.41, maybe it was 4.5, but either way those are very minor data points in the grand evaluation process for him. Frankly, the 3-cone will mean a great deal more than the 40 for a guy like Toney. Both Jerry Rice 4.71 and Larry Fitzgerald 4.63 were "slow" Edited March 31, 2021 by H2o 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, H2o said: Both Jerry Rice 4.71 and Larry Fitzgerald 4.63 were "slow" Exactly. It's always been about separation, not just speed. While straight line speed doesn't hurt, separation invokes agility, footwork, body control, chemistry with your QB, mental components and so many other things... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 Hearing that Carlos Basham ran a 4.65 40yd time at 280lbs+? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, H2o said: Both Jerry Rice 4.71 and Larry Fitzgerald 4.63 were "slow" And I seem to recall that Tyreek Hill ran about a 4.25... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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H2o Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, gobills404 said: @Victory Formation So Carlos Basham, a DE, at 274lbs runs a faster 40 than Sage Surratt, a WR, at 209lbs? B💥💥M!!! I watched some of his workout today and he has a REALLY quick first step too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, H2o said: So Carlos Basham, a DE, at 274lbs runs a faster 40 than Sage Surratt, a WR, at 209lbs? B💥💥M!!! I watched some of his workout today and he has a REALLY quick first step too. To be fair, Surratt runs like a moving truck. I was thinking Bashsm was ~a 4.8 guy, so high 4.6s in an ideal setting isn’t shocking. I’d be fine with Basham in the 3rd or later but hope we don’t take him over an explosive athlete like Ossai 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, glazeduck said: To be fair, Surratt runs like a moving truck. I was thinking Bashsm was ~a 4.8 guy, so high 4.6s in an ideal setting isn’t shocking. I’d be fine with Basham in the 3rd or later but hope we don’t take him over an explosive athlete like Ossai I'd take Basham in the 2nd. Ossai is light for a DE and looks a bit stiff out there to me. I like Basham's versatility being able to kick inside, that quick first step he has, and the power he plays with. I'd line him up across from a RT all day. He seems like a more athletic version of Lorax. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, mannc said: And I seem to recall that Tyreek Hill ran about a 4.25... I seem to recall the fastest 10 combine 40 times being john ross chris johnson dri archer jerome Mathis Marquise Goodwin Stanford Routt tyrone Calico jalen myrick jj nelson jacoby Ford Fabian Washington speed really matters.....if the player is a good very football player 1 minute ago, H2o said: I'd take Basham in the 2nd. Ossai is light for a DE and looks a bit stiff out there to me. I like Basham's versatility being able to kick inside, that quick first step he has, and the power he plays with. I'd line him up across from a RT all day. He seems like a more athletic version of Lorax. I’d be ok taking Basham in rd 2.....but he’s not one of my top choices. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, NewEra said: I seem to recall the fastest 10 combine 40 times being john ross chris johnson dri archer jerome Mathis Marquise Goodwin Stanford Routt tyrone Calico jalen myrick jj nelson jacoby Ford Fabian Washington speed really matters.....if the player is a good very football player God I had such a draft crush on Tyrone Calico... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BuffaloRebound Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 39 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Impressive. That boy made himself some money today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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