Aussie Joe Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He might be. We'll see. He earned $3.2M with the Seasnakes last year - they gave him a second-round tender! Well... you were right with his money... rock bottom price... Doesnt really prevent them doing anything else at the position 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Well... you were right with his money... rock bottom price... Doesnt really prevent them doing anything else at the position Got to think that chance to work with Josh was a big factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That may depend upon how much they like Sweeney, and whether they think Nate Becker has shown anything? Isn't Becker supposed to be the blocking TE? Unless someone they feel is a true potential upgrade to Knox falls to them in the draft, then who knows!!!! Yes there are others on the roster. Sweeney is still promising and I hope he can take a big step to Knox’s level. Becker is the blocker type as you said. I see room to spend late round picks on another TE, assuming a higher TE prospect doesn’t fall to us. Edited March 20, 2021 by Bob in STL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 3 hours ago, njbuff said: Knox can develop into that guy. I am not saying he will, but he has the talent to do it. Sometimes you patience with young players and I think Allen and the coaching staff are behind Knox 100%. And Knox did play well the second half of the season. He could for sure, but his drops at times are concerning. Lets hope he takes fhe next step- thats really whats important- he just isnt a 1 at this moment in time. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 31 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: Even if Knox is the starter, they need to replace both Kroft and Smith. I think they will draft a TE too. Tommy Sweeny is back, and I think they like Nate Becker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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billsbackto81 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 2 hours ago, ProcessTruster said: nah, i think Beane is done at TE. They drafted and like Knox and are going with him this year. no expensive shiny toys at TE this year Or anywhere else,..... So far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 If they were entertaining Gronk, and considering Rudolph, and rumored for Ertz, you gotta know they’re not done exploring. This is the lowest cost signing you can ask for, and it’s not like this guy is useless he has some skills. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 5 hours ago, stosh64 said: As of last season, the disparity is not so much: 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 5 hours ago, Back2Buff said: My thoughts exactly. Bills needed to restructure a lot of the contracts and really go for it this year. My fear is that we are so worried about the future, it is derailing this next year where it will be our best shot to win it all. I think this is just foolish. Beane has already said he is looking for long term sustainable with a SuperBowl quality team and that is what he is building. I will say it again - what are the expectations for next years salary cap? Assuming that things return to normal - we can expect that it will go pretty close to where it was projected for this year before COVID ~ 210-215 million. So that is a huge jump right from 183 million? Wait remember that the Salary Cap floor this year of 183 was an artificial increase from the 155 million range that the revenue dictated. That difference will be removed from the next 1-2 years of cap space. Let’s assume the difference is 30 million - if they split it between the next 2 years - next years cap could be under 195 million (just a small increase from this year and right back to 2020 levels). That is assuming an even split. The owners lose money on the deal the longer the split takes (which is why they nixed the 10 year spread and wanted it recouped within a couple of years) - so maybe they pull 20+ million or more back and next years Cap is only 190 million. Now you have 2 contracts in Josh and Edmunds that will be getting 5th year option money - not all the way to the huge contracts, but healthy increases and you have kicked 5-10 million in Cap space and you have no room for next year. Yes eventually in 2024 after the new TV contracts kick in for 2023 the CAP will shoot up and all the kicking will be fine, but Beane is looking at the next 2 years with uncertain CAP levels because of the COVID pay back and no guarantee that all of the expected revenue will return and he does not want to just automatically kick the can into next year because that could hamstring things next year. My guess is he will hold the restructures in his back pocket and keep trying to sign people at his market value and if he gets a deal - then restructure, but if the deal is not there - keep the money to figure out how to attack in the future - leave things flexible. He is being smart and thinking about this year, next year, and the following year to ensure they can stay at the top. KC already had to restructure several contracts just to sign guards and they still do not have a complete OL - so currently the Bills have gained just with the status quo. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: I think this is just foolish. Beane has already said he is looking for long term sustainable with a SuperBowl quality team and that is what he is building. I will say it again - what are the expectations for next years salary cap? Assuming that things return to normal - we can expect that it will go pretty close to where it was projected for this year before COVID ~ 210-215 million. So that is a huge jump right from 183 million? Wait remember that the Salary Cap floor this year of 183 was an artificial increase from the 155 million range that the revenue dictated. That difference will be removed from the next 1-2 years of cap space. Let’s assume the difference is 30 million - if they split it between the next 2 years - next years cap could be under 195 million (just a small increase from this year and right back to 2020 levels). That is assuming an even split. The owners lose money on the deal the longer the split takes (which is why they nixed the 10 year spread and wanted it recouped within a couple of years) - so maybe they pull 20+ million or more back and next years Cap is only 190 million. Now you have 2 contracts in Josh and Edmunds that will be getting 5th year option money - not all the way to the huge contracts, but healthy increases and you have kicked 5-10 million in Cap space and you have no room for next year. Yes eventually in 2024 after the new TV contracts kick in for 2023 the CAP will shoot up and all the kicking will be fine, but Beane is looking at the next 2 years with uncertain CAP levels because of the COVID pay back and no guarantee that all of the expected revenue will return and he does not want to just automatically kick the can into next year because that could hamstring things next year. My guess is he will hold the restructures in his back pocket and keep trying to sign people at his market value and if he gets a deal - then restructure, but if the deal is not there - keep the money to figure out how to attack in the future - leave things flexible. He is being smart and thinking about this year, next year, and the following year to ensure they can stay at the top. KC already had to restructure several contracts just to sign guards and they still do not have a complete OL - so currently the Bills have gained just with the status quo. I think we need to wait to see what the off-season looks like at the end not right now I think beans doing it right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: I think this is just foolish. Beane has already said he is looking for long term sustainable with a SuperBowl quality team and that is what he is building. I will say it again - what are the expectations for next years salary cap? Assuming that things return to normal - we can expect that it will go pretty close to where it was projected for this year before COVID ~ 210-215 million. So that is a huge jump right from 183 million? Wait remember that the Salary Cap floor this year of 183 was an artificial increase from the 155 million range that the revenue dictated. That difference will be removed from the next 1-2 years of cap space. Let’s assume the difference is 30 million - if they split it between the next 2 years - next years cap could be under 195 million (just a small increase from this year and right back to 2020 levels). That is assuming an even split. The owners lose money on the deal the longer the split takes (which is why they nixed the 10 year spread and wanted it recouped within a couple of years) - so maybe they pull 20+ million or more back and next years Cap is only 190 million. Now you have 2 contracts in Josh and Edmunds that will be getting 5th year option money - not all the way to the huge contracts, but healthy increases and you have kicked 5-10 million in Cap space and you have no room for next year. Yes eventually in 2024 after the new TV contracts kick in for 2023 the CAP will shoot up and all the kicking will be fine, but Beane is looking at the next 2 years with uncertain CAP levels because of the COVID pay back and no guarantee that all of the expected revenue will return and he does not want to just automatically kick the can into next year because that could hamstring things next year. My guess is he will hold the restructures in his back pocket and keep trying to sign people at his market value and if he gets a deal - then restructure, but if the deal is not there - keep the money to figure out how to attack in the future - leave things flexible. He is being smart and thinking about this year, next year, and the following year to ensure they can stay at the top. KC already had to restructure several contracts just to sign guards and they still do not have a complete OL - so currently the Bills have gained just with the status quo. I understand what you are saying and I want Beane to make at least one good move to improve the team this year. That being said they are close in cap next year too. Spotrac has the league cap at $209M for next year in their figures. Bills have 39 signed with a Cap Space of $21.3. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2022/ Edit: I forgot that is without Feliciano's contract. Edited March 20, 2021 by ColoradoBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 5 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Every team in the league has "young talent". The bar has been raised. It's about winning a SB now. The KC beat downs demonstrated the roster isn't good enough... they haven't really done much to change that. But yea, maybe AJE, Ford, Singletary, Knox, Moss, etc improve dramatically and they hit on some key draft picks to bring the team a SB, but I think it's a lot to ask. I am actually expecting big jumps from all of those guys...........but there will be players that take steps back too. If someone would have suggested at this time last year that John Brown would have the kind of drop off he had........or that Edmunds would play his worst football of his career for half a season......and Milano would only play like 30% of the snaps......or that the running game would get WORSE without board whipping boy Frank Gore.........I mean.........that would have been met with much denial. Some of those guys were playing better at the end..........but even so it was only enough to get housed by the Chiefs. It's reasonable to assume that just as many players or more will similarly regress or be limited by injury next year. We have to remember that it's a matchup league..........they are adding nice players that range from ok to very good but they need a couple difference makers.......being solid across the board with a dynamic QB is a formula only Belichick has been able to turn into Lombardi's. This staff is good and experienced by NFL standards but they are not the kind that can dial up significantly different but still effective offensive and defensive gameplans on a week to week basis. They need the Jimmy's and Joe's. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cheektowaga Chad Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Hollister is solid depth tight end If youre expecting a star, you'll be disappointed. Think you can expect what hollister has shown in his career thus far. A few big plays and chip in here and there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Good depth signing for sure. I still think Dawson Knox is a star in the making and hasn't even come close to hitting his ceiling yet. He was barely used at Ole Miss and we've seen glimpses of how good he can be and now just has to do that consistently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 48 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Hollister is solid depth tight end If youre expecting a star, you'll be disappointed. Think you can expect what hollister has shown in his career thus far. A few big plays and chip in here and there I think there's a good chance he has vast improvement in his production. Smoke, Bease and Diggs have all had career years after playing with Allen. I don't see why the same can't be true for Hollister if they give him the opportunity to catch the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 I started Hollister in fantasy once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 44 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Just my two cents. The goals to win the SB.... as of right now I don’t see how they’ve become the best team in the conference but stranger things have happened and all it takes is a Mahomes injury...but I’d rather not have to bank on that. The Titans were where the Bills are at this time last offseason. They weren't able to able to achieve what they needed to make the jump. They were still pretty good. That's not where we want the Bills to end up. But If they don't do a better job in non-WR offense and getting to the passer they might have to take the L and try again next year. Not what you hope for from a "wizard".......but the closer you get to the top the smaller the margin for error. One thing they shouldn't do though is what Whaley and Rex did early in the 2016 draft when they reached for players at positions of need who they thought could start right away. Don't reach for a modest pass rusher when there are better long term options at other key positions etc.. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Nice pick up but I’m thinking that there might be more to this signing. Looks like the Bills were a player for Ertz but the demand was too high, as much as a 3rd rd pick for a older veteran who is commanding a 8+M for the final year of his 5 year contract. I believe that Hollister was picked up not only because of Philly’s high demand for Ertz but also because Hollister fills a important capacity, replacing a combination of Kroft and Lee Smith, 2 aging veterans that were adequate at best in their roles. Enter Cleveland’s TE David Njoku. His 5th year option was guaranteed as of 4:00 pm Wednesday for just over 6M. He would be a great alternative to Ertz and he is much younger (24 yrs old) with a bigger upside. Cleveland is dishing out big money to UFA Austin Hooper, who they signed last March to a 4 year/42M contract and then drafted 4th rd pick Harrison Bryant a month later. The Browns have a awful lot of money tied up at this position. I can see the Bills trading Knox and a later rd pick, if not a 2021 pick then possibly a bit earlier of a pick in 2022 for Njoku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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