maddenboy Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 (edited) On 7/26/2021 at 3:39 AM, GunnerBill said: If he is traded my understanding was before everything cooled off in the spring the Panthers were the team at the head of the chase. Their view is allegedly if he doesn't face criminal charges they want him, hence they didn't draft a guy they took a flier on Sam Darnold. That isn't to say Miami couldn't re-emerge but it is by no means a done deal that if he is traded it is to the Dolphins. I will re-state my prediction from a the day the Panthers acquired Darnold. Because I agreed the Panthers were most likely for Watson. Panthers still want Watson. Panthers gauge that Texans will accept Darnold in trade, plus/minus whatever extras are negotiated. Panthers guage that Texans would prefer Darnold over any QB that the Panthers could have drafted this year. Texans can sell Darnold to the fanbase, as a rising QB (now removed from the stink of the Jets) with starter experience, and All-America somethingorother. Edited July 27, 2021 by maddenboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: So now this becomes a criminal case? Looks like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Beast said: It appears Watson now has serious problems. Always did. There is zero chance he is innocent based on the number of victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Beast said: Looks like it. He’s not playing this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: He’s not playing this year. After what he did to all those women I hope he never plays again 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: So now this becomes a criminal case? I don’t think charges have been filed. The women have made criminal complaints, but except in wierd states like PA it’s “up to” the prosecutor to decide whether or not the complaint rises to a prosecutable crime. Perhaps one of our lawyer types will set me straight if I’m mistaken 14 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: He’s not playing this year. I actually think any NFL action, following their usual pattern, would not take place until after the civil case completes. The link said Watson wasn’t even scheduled to testify in that case until January. Of course, if criminal charges are actually filed that could change things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 If Zeke Elliott got 8 games for something he was never charged with in college this at least merits a full year at a minimum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: He’s not playing this year. Yeah, I don't see how but this is the NFL so who knows? This screams Commissioners exempt list until it gets sorted. Edited July 27, 2021 by Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 (edited) On 7/25/2021 at 12:45 PM, Albany,n.y. said: Every time Tyrod thinks he's going to be his team's starter, they yank the ball away like Lucy does to Charlie Brown. "Just when I thought I was in...they pull me back out!" It's the Bizarro world of Tyrod Taylor! Edited July 27, 2021 by Ridgewaycynic2013 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 11 hours ago, Southern Bills Fan said: What team is going to invest all those resources to make him the face of the franchise? His legal problems aren't settled yet and it would be a PR nightmare to bring him in. 🤔 Bad reputation and bad optics of multiple litigants? A QB? This has Raiders written all over it! 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don’t think charges have been filed. The women have made criminal complaints, but except in wierd states like PA it’s “up to” the prosecutor to decide whether or not the complaint rises to a prosecutable crime. Perhaps one of our lawyer types will set me straight if I’m mistaken Correct. The police will look at allegations made. I understand there was already an active file. At some point they will need to decide to put that file in front of a prosecutor when they feel it is strong enough and a decision on criminal charges is ultimately the prosecutors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 10 hours ago, Putin said: After what he did to all those women I hope he never plays again Except there seems be no proof of what they said happening. Also he has still not been charged for that reason. What I hate about things now people are tried on social media and the damn press before they are even charged with a dang thing. Pretty much guaranteeing a polluted jury pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 43 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Except there seems be no proof of what they said happening. Also he has still not been charged for that reason. What I hate about things now people are tried on social media and the damn press before they are even charged with a dang thing. Pretty much guaranteeing a polluted jury pool. I’m no legal expert but the fact that two of the 10 bringing criminal cases did not file civil cases is a bad sign for him. And isnt a jury purposely selected to contain people who are not previously aware of the case? Not sure there is a “guarantee” it would be polluted. I randomly asked my cousin a couple weeks who lives in LA if she knew who he was as the situation had come up in conversation. and she said no. I’m sure they can get a clean jury together. Ultimately whether he’s charged and convicted is not part and parcel to his football future. If he’s considered good enough he will likely come back and play even if he goes to jail. Only thing is Andy Reid already has a QB. I am most curious right now as to what Roger does with the exempt list. They can’t really roll him out there representing the shield with 20+ Cases filed against him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I am most curious right now as to what Roger does with the exempt list. They can’t really roll him out there representing the shield with 20+ Cases filed against him? Agree. But they don't want to suspend him for a season he is happy to sit out anyway. I have said all along the NFL is in a tough spot here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Agree. But they don't want to suspend him for a season he is happy to sit out anyway. I have said all along the NFL is in a tough spot here. According to John McClain who is as tuned into to the Texans as anyone, he will never take another snap for them. He was on ESPN radio last night. He believes the Texans have moved on but want to get as much as they can for him. They haven’t just started listening to offers, they have been open for awhile, but haven’t gotten anything good enough. Now, what kind of reps will he get in TC? Is he QB1? QB3? Crazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Always did. There is zero chance he is innocent based on the number of victims. 1) he doesnt have to be "innocent." Just "Not-Guilty" beyond a reasonable doubt, or by preponderance of evidence. And it depends on the definition of the crime. And what the NFL will do with it after the dust settles. 2) they arent "victims" yet. They are accusers. Until its proven that something wrong happened, there's no "victims." 3) I agree there's zero chance that nothing happened. But maybe not to each accuser the same way, and maybe nothing happened that is legally wrong. Maybe something Morally "wrong" happened. Edited July 27, 2021 by maddenboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 (edited) 19 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don’t think charges have been filed. The women have made criminal complaints, but except in wierd states like PA it’s “up to” the prosecutor to decide whether or not the complaint rises to a prosecutable crime. Perhaps one of our lawyer types will set me straight if I’m mistaken Correct here in California. [former prosecutor here] Indeed, in CA at least, we dont need the victim's co-opertation in DV cases or related cases like sexual abuse or crimes with underage victims. There is no such thing here as "the victim declined to press charges." Its not up to the victim here. Here, we understand that there are many reasons why a victim would decline to go forward. Anytime I hear a prosecutorial agency say they arent going forward because the victim "declined to prosecute" or "recanted" or is uncooperative, I see an agency that is lazy or understaffed. We need a good Texas lawyer to chime in. But likely Texas is aggressive too. Edited July 27, 2021 by maddenboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I’m no legal expert but the fact that two of the 10 bringing criminal cases did not file civil cases is a bad sign for him. And isnt a jury purposely selected to contain people who are not previously aware of the case? Not sure there is a “guarantee” it would be polluted. I randomly asked my cousin a couple weeks who lives in LA if she knew who he was as the situation had come up in conversation. and she said no. I’m sure they can get a clean jury together. Ultimately whether he’s charged and convicted is not part and parcel to his football future. If he’s considered good enough he will likely come back and play even if he goes to jail. Only thing is Andy Reid already has a QB. I am most curious right now as to what Roger does with the exempt list. They can’t really roll him out there representing the shield with 20+ Cases filed against him? Roger Goodall: “YOLO, Hold My Beer” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I’m no legal expert but the fact that two of the 10 bringing criminal cases did not file civil cases is a bad sign for him. And isnt a jury purposely selected to contain people who are not previously aware of the case? Not sure there is a “guarantee” it would be polluted. I randomly asked my cousin a couple weeks who lives in LA if she knew who he was as the situation had come up in conversation. and she said no. I’m sure they can get a clean jury together. Ultimately whether he’s charged and convicted is not part and parcel to his football future. If he’s considered good enough he will likely come back and play even if he goes to jail. Only thing is Andy Reid already has a QB. I am most curious right now as to what Roger does with the exempt list. They can’t really roll him out there representing the shield with 20+ Cases filed against him? First the case would be in Houston where everyone knows who he is even non football fans. (My wife hates football still knows who Cam Newton is. ) Second the press and social media down there be 10X worse and the chances of getting 12 people who truly didn’t know anything about it is slimmer than winning the lotto. second as I said the reason. I charges are filed because there is no evidence he did anything. Unlike civil cases to get a conviction or heck even an a grand jury to endite you need SOME proof. Right now it’s all “he made me do this” with hi. Saying he didn’t. As for football they are tough when the player is either at the end of his career or sucks.. even then they usually get it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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