Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 OK, Joe B has an Athletic article speculating that Star might retire and talking about the horrid cap impact of his guaranteed salary & bonuses if he does It’s my understanding that contract language guaranteed salary for injury, or for skill and injury, but salary is never guaranteed against retirement. Also, it’s my understanding the team may ask for the amortized portion of the signing bonus that counts against future years to be returned can anyone more knowledgeable confirm or deny? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) https://www.catscratchreader.com/2020/1/15/21066845/nfl-carolina-panthers-luke-kuechly-retirement-cap-space-2020-what-does-it-mean looks like it’s same as a trade. Don’t have to pay any guaranteed money that hasn’t already been paid. Dead cap from bonus amortization hits in year of retirement. so if Star retired, he’d forfeit his $5m in guaranteed salary, but $5.2m of future bonus amortization would hit this year. So basically a wash cap wise if he retires, but clears cap space in future years. Edited March 15, 2021 by BuffaloRebound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art in PNS Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 BUT if he retires we could keep him on the roster til June 1st to spread the dead cap over 2 years . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Art in RTP said: BUT if he retires we could keep him on the roster til June 1st to spread the dead cap over 2 years . Yes, but then you gotta pay him the $250k roster bonus coming up. But probably worth it to get an extra $3.9m in cap space this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Art in RTP said: BUT if he retires we could keep him on the roster til June 1st to spread the dead cap over 2 years . True providing he’s willing to file the paperwork after June 1. But even if the Bills don’t request repayment of his bonus, I think Joe B is mistaken that he gets his guaranteed salary this year if he hangs up his cleats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: True providing he’s willing to file the paperwork after June 1. But even if the Bills don’t request repayment of his bonus, I think Joe B is mistaken that he gets his guaranteed salary this year if he hangs up his cleats Agree, with all of this. And others above made good points. So if Star is washed up, and who knows what shape he is in or his mindset, but him retiring might work in Bills favor financially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 If we get him working at one of the concession stands, does that not count against the cap? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 When they cut Jefferson over Butler my 1st thought was Star isn't coming back because Butler can play both 1 and 3 tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) I think it's about money already paid to the player that would have been accounted for in future years comes due at retirement. Otherwise, teams would have all sorts of money paid out to players that was never accounted for anywhere in the cap number. I still say that if the league allows op outs this year, and it is a negotiated deal between player and team as is being speculated, that the Bills ask Star to opt out this year and just pay him $500,000 or so and have next to no cap hit, then he can retire next season on June 1, splitting the dead cap between 2022 and 2023. Everyone wins... Star essentially is retired but gets an extra half million, and the Bills free up a big chunk of cap space. The only thing is that there might not be opt outs this season. Edited March 15, 2021 by TheFunPolice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) Who the ***** retires when the team is in a championship window... If he does he will forever be known as garbage. Edited March 15, 2021 by TBBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Star is not retiring, he doesn't want Beane asking for a pay cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 24 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: True providing he’s willing to file the paperwork after June 1. But even if the Bills don’t request repayment of his bonus, I think Joe B is mistaken that he gets his guaranteed salary this year if he hangs up his cleats Yeah, it looks like the only option that saves them $ is a post-June 1 cut. I was trying to find details on Brees' restructure, but can't figure out how reducing his base this year saved them money. Doing the post-June cut does for sure. By hook or by crook, Beane will find a way to save $ on this, if he does retire... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, TPS said: Yeah, it looks like the only option that saves them $ is a post-June 1 cut. I was trying to find details on Brees' restructure, but can't figure out how reducing his base this year saved them money. Doing the post-June cut does for sure. By hook or by crook, Beane will find a way to save $ on this, if he does retire... A cut doesn’t save any money. It actually makes things worse because they’re on the hook for $5m in salary guarantees this year and $2m next year plus $7.8m in bonus amortization. A post June 1 retirement looks like best cap scenario because it both eliminates $7m in guaranteed salary and spreads the dead cap bonus amortization over 2 years. Best case might actually be another opt out and then a post June 1 retirement in 2022. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: OK, Joe B has an Athletic article speculating that Star might retire and talking about the horrid cap impact of his guaranteed salary & bonuses if he does It’s my understanding that contract language guaranteed salary for injury, or for skill and injury, but salary is never guaranteed against retirement. Also, it’s my understanding the team may ask for the amortized portion of the signing bonus that counts against future years to be returned can anyone more knowledgeable confirm or deny? The word "horrid," is nowhere in the article. That's entirely yours, and really isn't supported in the article. The only adjective used about the bonus in the article is, "additional," as in, "incurring an additional cap hit." "The Bills would incur an additional cap charge of $4.7 million in 2021 if Lotulelei were to retire, which could inhibit some of their offseason moves or lead to another player release," is what Joe said, and is a very reasonable way of putting it. It certainly does happen that teams go after signing bonus money from retirement. But it's not very common, particularly if the team likes the guy and thinks that he intended when he signed it to fulfill the contract. It also sends a message to players that they don't like to hear. Right now people talk about the great culture and the happiness in the locker room. Moves like that affect that. Now, going after a guy like Vontae Davis (though Vontae very quickly voluntarily returned his bonus) is understood by the players if they go after that money. Star gave them two years of his absolute best. There's no indication that he had any fraudulent intent when he signed the contract. It sends a message that can be read as anti-player. They still could do it but they don't have a history of it at all. No particular reason to think Star will retire, though as Joe says, he certainly could. Edited March 15, 2021 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 and then the cost and the ability of replacement for Star at the 1 tech position...a starter...Vernon Butler ? kind of light which was Beane's opinion of why the overall interior did not stop the run effectively last season..help wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 36 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: True providing he’s willing to file the paperwork after June 1. But even if the Bills don’t request repayment of his bonus, I think Joe B is mistaken that he gets his guaranteed salary this year if he hangs up his cleats I think that the team can put him on the retired list and then release him after June 1 from that list which splits the money. Not 100% sure though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: OK, Joe B has an Athletic article speculating that Star might retire and talking about the horrid cap impact of his guaranteed salary & bonuses if he does It’s my understanding that contract language guaranteed salary for injury, or for skill and injury, but salary is never guaranteed against retirement. Also, it’s my understanding the team may ask for the amortized portion of the signing bonus that counts against future years to be returned can anyone more knowledgeable confirm or deny? Seriously what a dirtball loser move if he does.... enjoy regretting your half-a career if you hang them up now. Unless he has some personal stuff going on w/ family. Ill never understand getting that far in a career and giving up 🤮 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, TBBills said: Who the ***** retires when the team is in a championship window... If he does he will forever be known as garbage. LOL Or...a guy with a bunch of kids that he wants to spend time with...and he is already rich if he spends wisely... But clearly he need to check with you prior to such a decision...because going down as "garbage" or "dirt ball loser" according to Florida Guy TBBills and Billsshredder ....I mean...can he live with that? Edited March 15, 2021 by TH3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Seriously what a dirtball loser move if he does.... enjoy regretting your half-a career if you hang them up now. Unless he has some personal stuff going on w/ family. Ill never understand getting that far in a career and giving up 🤮 Dude had a major heart issue unearthed at combine. That’s why he fell to mid first round. Id imagine Covid made him re-assess the risk of playing. I’d take it easy on him if he decides to retire. Edited March 15, 2021 by BuffaloRebound 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 25 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: A cut doesn’t save any money. It actually makes things worse because they’re on the hook for $5m in salary guarantees this year and $2m next year plus $7.8m in bonus amortization. A post June 1 retirement looks like best cap scenario because it both eliminates $7m in guaranteed salary and spreads the dead cap bonus amortization over 2 years. Best case might actually be another opt out and then a post June 1 retirement in 2022. Sorry, I meant it as post-June 1 retirement, since the discussion was about possible retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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