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4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Well....it was the one game (and team) that kept them out of the SB.  How does the same Bills team beat them in the next AFCC game?

 

You seemed to have skipped detail that when you posted your 'big deal, one game' themed thread.  

I don't know, how were the Chiefs going to beat the Raiders after they lost to them last year? You seem to think there's no point to playing the games. Outcomes are apparently pre-ordained. Sometimes you don't need to do things differently, just execute them better.

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I am absolutely shocked by this. He probably could have gotten more on the open market. What a time to be alive. Players taking less money to stay in Buffalo?!?

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57 minutes ago, Boxcar said:

I don't know, how were the Chiefs going to beat the Raiders after they lost to them last year? You seem to think there's no point to playing the games. Outcomes are apparently pre-ordained. Sometimes you don't need to do things differently, just execute them better.


thats one way to misunderstand what was posted...

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12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Sounds kind of bitter banter by this “exec” that Allen could “regress” and miss the playoffs after watching him improve each year and retaining the same Oc and weapons - you could say that about most QBs I guess but it’s just wishful thinking if you are another team.  I’m not sure I agree they need to “fix” their DL but enhancing it on top of the addition back of Star which will allow Oliver to play his natural role and adding Obada to a second year epenesa who looked really good as the year progressed doesn’t scream to me it needs “fixed.” They don’t have any holes, anyone in the draft that they take will be to make the team better, not fill a hole. Their success in 2021-22 doesn’t hinge on the draft. That said, the take that it is a bad DL draft is nuanced - it doesn’t have the depth that say WR does or the “elite” transformational guy at the top like a Bosa, Myles Garrett, Chase Young, that is true. But that player wouldn’t have been available to the Bills anyway. It does have some 1st round type players who are really good and can be great young additions to the Bills rotation and could get pushed down - Azeez Onzulari, Kwity Paye, Jaelen Phillips come to mind. 

I have to disagree Yolo. I don't think Josh will regress, my main point is the D.

 

I really believe our DL is not of SB caliber. Star returning may help isn't going be the missing link. Giod teams run all over us and we can't get off the field on 3rd and long against good QBs. Pinning hopes on Obada sounds like us pinning hopes on Jefferson and Addison last year.  It's not a stellar draft for edge, especially picking at 30.

 

We won a lot of white knucle games last year (thanks to Josh) after our D couldn't close a game out. I still hold out hope Beane signs a legit run stuffer 1 tech and we do better than last year with our pass rush by comittee. But in my gut I feel we'll  have to continually blitz to get pressure and TEs will feast on 3rd down and move chains. I hope to be wrong. 

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58 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

I have to disagree Yolo. I don't think Josh will regress, my main point is the D.

 

I really believe our DL is not of SB caliber. Star returning may help isn't going be the missing link. Giod teams run all over us and we can't get off the field on 3rd and long against good QBs. Pinning hopes on Obada sounds like us pinning hopes on Jefferson and Addison last year.  It's not a stellar draft for edge, especially picking at 30.

 

We won a lot of white knucle games last year (thanks to Josh) after our D couldn't close a game out. I still hold out hope Beane signs a legit run stuffer 1 tech and we do better than last year with our pass rush by comittee. But in my gut I feel we'll  have to continually blitz to get pressure and TEs will feast on 3rd down and move chains. I hope to be wrong. 

Exactly my thoughts... disagree that their defensive line is a bad unit as the executive suggested but it's not good either and I think they botched a golden opportunity to improve it this offseason with all the good edge FAs and instead opting with all the ex Carolina Panthers. 

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6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:


thats one way to misunderstand what was posted...

Not sure I did, but maybe you're speaking some kind of advanced big brain English that I just don't understand.

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On 4/4/2021 at 12:26 AM, Billl said:

He is, but I wouldn’t consider anything he’s done so far this off-season especially noteworthy.  Swapping out Brown for Sanders is probably the biggest roster move, but I’d still consider that tinkering.  He has done a good job of re-signing players to team friendly contracts, and signing Brenda was a low key good move.  
 

Given his track record I would have expected Beane to have been a bit more aggressive.  I guess it wouldn’t shock me to see him move up in the draft for a pass rusher.  I think that’s the team’s biggest need by far, and I don’t see an obvious target in the late first round this year.

He did try to get Watt....it didn't work out.   He did sign Mitch Tribusky to backup Josh,  I believe that is a big investment....

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11 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Who knows what's left of Star.  Guy has sat around for year and a half.

 

Where does this viewpoint come from? I see it all over this board. Why does everyone think that Star is lazy and we shouldn't expect him to come back to the team in shape? Is it just because he opted out for the year? Players go a whole year rehabbing an ACL tear and come back in the same shape they were in before the injury. Why does sitting out for the season mean he's been lazing around?

 

Star is specifically known for being the first one in/last one out at the gym. He was one of the very first players McDermott brought to Buffalo with him, and he overpaid to make sure he got him. That alone should tell you the kind of player Star is. Before the offseason there was all this random speculation that Star was going to retire from football and I never understood where it came from.

 

No question getting Star back is huge for this defense. Not just for what he adds to the team, but the trickle down effects of him being on the field. Oliver can play 3-tech full time where he belongs. Phillips and Zimmer are just rotational depth now, rather than being forced into starting roles. Edmunds and Milano will have an easier time staying clean. Star is by no means an elite player but he fills a very important role in McDermott's defense.

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5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Where does this viewpoint come from? I see it all over this board. Why does everyone think that Star is lazy and we shouldn't expect him to come back to the team in shape? Is it just because he opted out for the year? Players go a whole year rehabbing an ACL tear and come back in the same shape they were in before the injury. Why does sitting out for the season mean he's been lazing around?

 

Star is specifically known for being the first one in/last one out at the gym. He was one of the very first players McDermott brought to Buffalo with him, and he overpaid to make sure he got him. That alone should tell you the kind of player Star is. Before the offseason there was all this random speculation that Star was going to retire from football and I never understood where it came from.

 

No question getting Star back is huge for this defense. Not just for what he adds to the team, but the trickle down effects of him being on the field. Oliver can play 3-tech full time where he belongs. Phillips and Zimmer are just rotational depth now, rather than being forced into starting roles. Edmunds and Milano will have an easier time staying clean. Star is by no means an elite player but he fills a very important role in McDermott's defense.

 

He wasn't injured.  He was one of the extremely low number of players who chose not to play.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He wasn't injured.  He was one of the extremely low number of players who chose not to play.

 

 

 

He was once diagnosed with a heart condition that was possibly brought on by a viral infection. Does opting out for that reason mean he is lazy?

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8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Where does this viewpoint come from? I see it all over this board. Why does everyone think that Star is lazy and we shouldn't expect him to come back to the team in shape? Is it just because he opted out for the year? Players go a whole year rehabbing an ACL tear and come back in the same shape they were in before the injury. Why does sitting out for the season mean he's been lazing around?

 

Star is specifically known for being the first one in/last one out at the gym. He was one of the very first players McDermott brought to Buffalo with him, and he overpaid to make sure he got him. That alone should tell you the kind of player Star is. Before the offseason there was all this random speculation that Star was going to retire from football and I never understood where it came from.

 

No question getting Star back is huge for this defense. Not just for what he adds to the team, but the trickle down effects of him being on the field. Oliver can play 3-tech full time where he belongs. Phillips and Zimmer are just rotational depth now, rather than being forced into starting roles. Edmunds and Milano will have an easier time staying clean. Star is by no means an elite player but he fills a very important role in McDermott's defense.


it’s harder to stay in top competitive shape while not being a pro athlete. Maybe he is in the best shape of his life? Odds are no. Hope he is ready to compete. 

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10 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Exactly my thoughts... disagree that their defensive line is a bad unit as the executive suggested but it's not good either and I think they botched a golden opportunity to improve it this offseason with all the good edge FAs and instead opting with all the ex Carolina Panthers. 

 

The guys available were buyer-beware types (Reddick and Hendrickson, who far exceeded their career sack totals in what were their contract seasons) and a bunch of guys who had a handful more sacks than Addison did.  Meanwhile Epenesa was starting to come on and they signed a DE who in limited action got 5.5 sacks.  And again, they're getting their one true 1-tech back.

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1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

He was once diagnosed with a heart condition that was possibly brought on by a viral infection. Does opting out for that reason mean he is lazy?

 

I said he has been sitting around not playing football or working out with the team for over a year.  That can lead to some reasonable question of the shape he's in and his desire to play as he has in the past, let alone arrive and be the game changer on D that many here are assuming he will be.

 

He had an abnormal screening ECHO 8 years ago just before the combine.  He was found to have a mildly decreased LVEF for which he was asymptomatic.  It resolved spontaneously with a normal repeat ECHO only a few weeks later.  Without another diagnosis, it was presumed to be viral.  For a guy his size, it's certainly possible a transthoracic ECHO is going to be difficult.  Maybe the second (normal) was transesophageal--far more accurate on an obese individual.  

 

 

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8 hours ago, Doc said:

 

The guys available were buyer-beware types (Reddick and Hendrickson, who far exceeded their career sack totals in what were their contract seasons) and a bunch of guys who had a handful more sacks than Addison did.  Meanwhile Epenesa was starting to come on and they signed a DE who in limited action got 5.5 sacks.  And again, they're getting their one true 1-tech back.

That's a similar to the narrative we heard last off season. We have a D line with nobody near elite, and it shows. Addison will be 34 this season and Jerry is another year older. I'm not  expecting more from them this year then last. All in all, this is not the D line you'd want in a SB window. I don't see any combination of 4 on this roster that can regularly pressure a QB. They will need to bring heat, which good QBs take advantage of. Hopefully with Star back we will fare a bit better against the run, but I forsee a lot of white knuckle 4th quarters again this year when we can't get a needed stop.

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1 hour ago, Green Lightning said:

That's a similar to the narrative we heard last off season. We have a D line with nobody near elite, and it shows. Addison will be 34 this season and Jerry is another year older. I'm not  expecting more from them this year then last. All in all, this is not the D line you'd want in a SB window. I don't see any combination of 4 on this roster that can regularly pressure a QB. They will need to bring heat, which good QBs take advantage of. Hopefully with Star back we will fare a bit better against the run, but I forsee a lot of white knuckle 4th quarters again this year when we can't get a needed stop.

 

Are any of those guys who were mentioned "elite"?  Especially considering their price tags?

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1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Are any of those guys who were mentioned "elite"?  Especially considering their price tags?

Better than what we have. And it's not just edge. To throw up our hands and say what can we do is not how to win championships. There were upgrades to be had at DT and we didn't move on them. McD says the game is won in the trenches. The SB showed that. We were too often pushed around by stout O Lines and we have virtually the same personnel this year.

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8 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

Better than what we have. And it's not just edge. To throw up our hands and say what can we do is not how to win championships. There were upgrades to be had at DT and we didn't move on them. McD says the game is won in the trenches. The SB showed that. We were too often pushed around by stout O Lines and we have virtually the same personnel this year.

 

I liked the signing of Obada.  He seems to have as much ability as any of the guys available in FA.  And Epenesa started to flash towards the end of the year.  Star will be back and I'm confident they'll add another 1-tech in the draft.

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On 4/6/2021 at 6:15 AM, HappyDays said:

 

Where does this viewpoint come from? I see it all over this board. Why does everyone think that Star is lazy and we shouldn't expect him to come back to the team in shape? Is it just because he opted out for the year? Players go a whole year rehabbing an ACL tear and come back in the same shape they were in before the injury. Why does sitting out for the season mean he's been lazing around?

 

Star is specifically known for being the first one in/last one out at the gym. He was one of the very first players McDermott brought to Buffalo with him, and he overpaid to make sure he got him. That alone should tell you the kind of player Star is. Before the offseason there was all this random speculation that Star was going to retire from football and I never understood where it came from.

 

No question getting Star back is huge for this defense. Not just for what he adds to the team, but the trickle down effects of him being on the field. Oliver can play 3-tech full time where he belongs. Phillips and Zimmer are just rotational depth now, rather than being forced into starting roles. Edmunds and Milano will have an easier time staying clean. Star is by no means an elite player but he fills a very important role in McDermott's defense.

 

I don't think it is a presumption that Star comes back and is out of shape so much as saying equally we shouldn't presume he just comes back after a year out of football and picks up where he left off. He is big man and 31 years old. The Bills need to have some sort of insurance policy in my view and at worst someone to compete with Harrison Phillips for the backup 1 tech spot in camp. Phillips was bad for the overwhelming majority of last year and I don't think it is wise to have him as the plan if Star isn't able to be the same guy he was before.

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