The Jokeman Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 43 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said: Why isn't he talking about the possible trade value? I really think John Brown has a potential trade value at 8 mil per year for a burner wide receiver who can...in the right system... catch 70 balls. This guy is not garbage, and he could always do a new deal. Lets also talk about restructuring. I don't think he's neccesarily a cut. With a tight cap $8 million is a lot for a 2nd/3rd WR for any team. I like what Brown offers but his cap figure has to come down for him to be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costrovs Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Damn, I was speculating this back in a thread in December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 33 minutes ago, 947 said: Brown has almost no trade value. It's not just the Bills who know he's not worth a $9.53M cap hit, every team does, and nobody is taking that on. If a team wants him, they'll wait to see if he gets cut, then offer less than half of that amount. I think your totally wrong...agree to disagree. New team would not swallow full 10 million, they'd at worse get hit w/ a little less than 8. Then you get a pretty solid WR instead of letting him hit a market. Brown's speed will be in demand. Not to mention new team can restructure him to about 5-6 million per year, which is easily what he's worth. I know this year will be lower, but good luck with the expectation he'll take 4 million per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 With each day, more carnage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said: I know this year will be lower, but good luck with the expectation he'll take 4 million per year. He might take $4-5 mil to stay in Buffalo in 2021 in a cap restricted year that is going to impact the FA market if the alternative is he gets outright cut ... at least with the Bills he could get good receiving numbers ( if heathy) in a pass happy offense to look to sign a new deal ( elsewhere) in 2022... Given his age, and coming off the year he had with low production and injuries , I don’t see anyone trading for him ... Edited February 6, 2021 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 John Brown probably is the odd man out. It would be nice to keep him for his last year but he probably gets swapped out to sign Daryl Williams. If that's the way it ends up I'm sure there's a decent chance to find a speedy WR in the mid-round draft or somewhere else for cheap money. I would like to see him stay but I don't think it will be a detriment to let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Charles Romes said: A healthy Kenny Stills in 21 will easily outperform John Brown’s 2020. Thank you for the career year 2019 John Brown. Critical for Josh’s development. Not sure I get this - I don’t expect they will be trying to sign Stills as he is a FA and was just paid comparable to Brown. He is not on the Bills and is a FA. I also think a Healthy Stills in 2021 does outperform 2020 Brown, but I also think a healthy Brown in 2021 outperforms a 2020 Brown or a healthy 2021 Stills. Stills missed more games than Brown last year and had a worse season both before being cut and then never seeing the field again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Worstcaseontario said: I think john takes a home town discount With all due respect, why does everyone think pending Bills FA are going to take a “hometown discount?” People said this last about Shaq Lawson and Jordan Phillips, and the elected to sign for more money. It’s thought to fault both who had yet to see a big money contract As much as he probably likes playing in Buffalo, I definitely wouldn’t expect him to take a pay cut to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoteam Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Dkollidas said: Speculation, not really anything substantive. I mean he literally said “was a fantasy non-factor for much of the 2020 season” and I get that’s a reflection of his stats... but quoting it as his fantasy numbers just seems kind of... simple. I’ll admit I haven’t really been much of a Buscaglia fan. He has a big base because of his work on local tv and now on the athletic... but he almost seems kind of PFF’y. ”I found this stat and since this stat exists it means this player is good/bad, no matter what other stats you show me or film I see”. Yea I'm with you, I dont give a darn about "fantasy results". Sure, if they are leading scorers in fantasy, then they probably are having a great season, but get out of here with that. JB was very productive in 2019. I understand the cap issues, but if the Bills want to keep JB then they will make it happen, regardless of "fantasy" results. Personally I would prefer the Bills to keep JB. Proven results, and knows JA. The grass isnt always greener with some other player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 3 hours ago, Charles Romes said: A healthy Kenny Stills in 21 will easily outperform John Brown’s 2020. Thank you for the career year 2019 John Brown. Critical for Josh’s development. Stills is a free agent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 8 minutes ago, Georgie said: Stills is a free agent... Yes but I expect the Bills to be in on Stills if Brown gets released. McDermott said Stills was Beane's guy after they brought him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Joe B has not heard of restructured contracts? Most teams are in worse cap shape than the bills. There is no indication that Brown will not return to his previous level after an offseason recovering from his injuries. That being said, I do agree that with Davis' emergence, the Bills will not overpay for Brown in 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 3 hours ago, Charles Romes said: A healthy Kenny Stills in 21 will easily outperform John Brown’s 2020. Thank you for the career year 2019 John Brown. Critical for Josh’s development. The Bills have no more claim than any other team on Stills. He's a free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 i dont want brown to leave. who else can fill in the #2 and possibly be the emergency #1 at that price? it would not be wise to cut him. better safe than sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 3 hours ago, DJB said: https://theathletic.com/2365170/ https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/701/john-brown (for those without the Athletic but want to see a short blurb) The Athletic's Joe Buscaglia said John Brown likely won't be back with the Bills in 2021. Brown, 31 in April, would be a $9.53 million cap hit for a team that will struggle to stay under the league's salary cap. Buffalo would save more than $7 million if they release the veteran wideout this offseason. He was a fantasy non-factor for much of the 2020 season, averaging 3.6 receptions per game for 45.3 yards and three touchdowns in one of the NFL's pass heaviest offenses. Brown's departure would pave the way for Gabriel Davis to become an every-down outside receiver after an impressive rookie campaign in which he averaged 17.1 yards per catch on 62 targets. Davis would make for an intriguing pick in best ball leagues in a Josh Allen-led offense. He either takes a paycut or restructures need money to sign a TE to play with Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: He might take $4-5 mil to stay in Buffalo in 2021 in a cap restricted year that is going to impact the FA market if the alternative is he gets outright cut ... at least with the Bills he could get good receiving numbers ( if heathy) in a pass happy offense to look to sign a new deal ( elsewhere) in 2022... Given his age, and coming off the year he had with low production and injuries , I don’t see anyone trading for him ... Maybe...but from Buffalo's standpoint can we have even 5 million tied up in a WR 4 in Brown's current role? Especially with large dollars to a KR/WR In Roberts, and McKenzie needing to be replaced via the draft or FA. Not to mention all the other needs...and Diggs and Allen new contracts looming. I hate to bring this up, because Roberts was so clutch during most of the year, but ghosted in the playoffs, and in fact played terrible in the Colts game. It may still be worthwhile to explore the John Brown/ Roberts/ Mckenzie Role being replaced by one dude. Not crazy to say a Kaderius Toney kind of guy could come in and be that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think the title would be better if it included something like "Joe B Roster Projection" or "Joe B Speculates" We all can see that John Brown has a big cap hit in a tight cap year, but it's just Joe's speculation at this point that he won't be back vs. a comment one of the Bills FO or someone close to John Brown has made. It's also possible the Bills may ask him to re-structure. RE: Joe's perception "developing internal replacement in Gabriel Davis are all point toward another direction". Gabe Davis isn't exactly a slug with a 40-time of 4.54, but he doesn't have Brown's 4.34 speed to take the top off a defense. Several here commented that our offense was less effective without Brown in there. Of course, if Brown is injured and doesn't have it either 🤷♂️ he doesn't add that aspect either. Joe B calls it that both Vernon Butler AND Quinton Jefferson will be gone, and I don't see that. He basically just went down a list of top-10 Bills players salaries and picked all the players who weren't just renegotiated to be cut, plus Lee Smith. Really how can you tell, Brown hardly played? In fact could easily argue the offense looked best the last third or so of the season, Exactly when Brown was out completely. If he just picked the top 10 salaries, then where was White, Diggs, and Dawson, plus he did say to keep Hughes and Morse who are also on the top ten. What he did was went down the list of players who have large salaries and pretty big cap savings, and under performed in 2020 for what they are paid. Yes it's speculation, by a person who is looking at it objectively and based on past performance by the Bills front office and also based on how most teams operate. Just like more than half the threads here are all speculation and based on fan emotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 10 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said: Maybe...but from Buffalo's standpoint can we have even 5 million tied up in a WR 4 in Brown's current role? Especially with large dollars to a KR/WR In Roberts, and McKenzie needing to be replaced via the draft or FA. Not to mention all the other needs...and Diggs and Allen new contracts looming. I hate to bring this up, because Roberts was so clutch during most of the year, but ghosted in the playoffs, and in fact played terrible in the Colts game. It may still be worthwhile to explore the John Brown/ Roberts/ Mckenzie Role being replaced by one dude. Not crazy to say a Kaderius Toney kind of guy could come in and be that. I think Beane is a bit more conservative then that... You need to make the decisions on Brown, Roberts, McKenzie before the draft.... if Brown is taking a paycut then you will have to guarantee the remaining money for 2021... No guarantees Toney doesn’t get picked around 20... so if you miss him then what? Also ... don’t think they will be depending on a Rookie to be that critical a part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 3 hours ago, The Jokeman said: With a tight cap $8 million is a lot for a 2nd/3rd WR for any team. I like what Brown offers but his cap figure has to come down for him to be worth it. I agree, but not as much for others when you look at how teams view speed guys that factor as that 3-4 guy in their rotation. Different teams place huge value on this, and when you look at contracts like Marquis Goodwin got, Will Fuller, Sammy Watkins...you never knw what kind of payout some of these dudes get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I think Beane is a bit more conservative then that... You need to make the decisions on Brown, Roberts, McKenzie before the draft.... if Brown is taking a paycut then you will have to guarantee the remaining money for 2021... No guarantees Toney doesn’t get picked around 20... so if you miss him then what? Also ... don’t think they will be depending on a Rookie to be that critical a part Well it does not need to be Toney per say.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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