TheBeaneBandit Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Yes it is “In principle” and either side can back out prior to it being finalized next month Cool thanks for the response! I just didn't know. What is the date trades would be official? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 People need to pump the brakes a little on Stafford. He was 0-3 in the playoffs and even had Megatron. I think he'll help the Rams over the next couple years but after that the effect of losing all these picks for players like Ramsey & Stafford will take their toll. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, mannc said: He played the most important position on the field for 11 seasons...At what point can we say he was part of the problem? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 19 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: "Sometimes, you have to look beyond the obvious to see how things work in the future. The Rams got a much, much, better quarterback at a time when they have everything else they need to contend. The Lions just hamstrung themselves with a supremely limited quarterback at a time when they’re going through a massive rebuild. Draft picks or not, the Rams won this trade in a landslide, and that’s why." https://www.yahoo.com/sports/why-rams-won-stafford-goff-044505617.html The article offers zero evidence in support of its main premise—That Matt Stafford is a MUCH better QB than Jared Goff. 16 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Well... he did play for the Lions. Probably the worst run franchise in the sport. Lot of competition for that title... 1 minute ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Stafford has hardly been without weapons in his career in Detroit. The absence of a great running back is a weak excuse for his lack of success... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 well I like him even more now! 😂 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, BillsFan4 said: well I like him even more now! 😂 Fan-freaking tastic... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, mannc said: Stafford has hardly been without weapons in his career in Detroit. The absence of a great running back is a weak excuse for his lack of success... He's the fastest player in NFL history to 40K yards. What's your measure of success? Superbowl wins? Playoff wins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDave Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, mannc said: The article offers zero evidence in support of its main premise—That Matt Stafford is a MUCH better QB than Jared Goff. Lot of competition for that title... Stafford has hardly been without weapons in his career in Detroit. The absence of a great running back is a weak excuse for his lack of success... The lack of 100-yard rushers can be attributed to a terrible offensive line as well as a lack of a great running back. I think Stafford played behind poor protectors, if I recall correctly. That surely had to affect his play and success, or lack thereof, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: well I like him even more now! 😂 But why is that? He didn’t want to follow in the footsteps of the GOAT? Didn’t want hard coaching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: People need to pump the brakes a little on Stafford. He was 0-3 in the playoffs and even had Megatron. I think he'll help the Rams over the next couple years but after that the effect of losing all these picks for players like Ramsey & Stafford will take their toll. Lol, the Rams were supposedly dead last year without their first round picks. One year later and they are back to competing in the postseason. Sean McVay has never had a losing season. He’s done this with a QB who is viewed as a negative asset by the NFL. Waiting for the ball to drop is taking awhile. Edited January 31, 2021 by FireChans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 12 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: He’s more talented and McVay is betting on talent. Betting on talent is the way to go, I think. The question is can you win a Super Bowl without your QB playing at a top 5 level? The final 4 teams this year had arguably the 4 best QBs in the league. Stafford has always been on the borderline of top 10 QB but he's never played at that elite level. I question if any team can beat KC in the playoffs without elite QB play. San Fran showed you the ceiling of that style last year. Stafford is better than Garrappolo but I'm not sure it's a big enough difference to matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: But why is that? He didn’t want to follow in the footsteps of the GOAT? Didn’t want hard coaching? Bad taste in his mouth after the Matt Patricia experience? 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: The question is can you win a Super Bowl without your QB playing at a top 5 level? The final 4 teams this year had arguably the 4 best QBs in the league. Stafford has always been on the borderline of top 10 QB but he's never played at that elite level. I question if any team can beat KC in the playoffs without elite QB play. San Fran showed you the ceiling of that style last year. Stafford is better than Garrappolo but I'm not sure it's a big enough difference to matter. Every team in the NFL can’t just fold up and tank and let the Chiefs win every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: He's the fastest player in NFL history to 40K yards. What's your measure of success? Superbowl wins? Playoff wins? How about just wins? And if you want to talk about yards, Goff passed for more yards and YPA the past four seasons (Goff’s only ones as a starter) than Stafford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, RangerDave said: The lack of 100-yard rushers can be attributed to a terrible offensive line as well as a lack of a great running back. I think Stafford played behind poor protectors, if I recall correctly. That surely had to affect his play and success, or lack thereof, no? Poor OLine, poor RBs, and poor defenses. Other than that though, he was set up well for success. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, FireChans said: Bad taste in his mouth after the Matt Patricia experience? Every team in the NFL can’t just fold up and tank and let the Chiefs win every year. It's not about tanking, it's about being realistic and spending your draft picks accordingly. Every team in the league with Super Bowl aspirations should be making their decisions with the question "does this help me beat KC?" in mind. I don't think trading multiple high picks for Stafford is a yes to that question. But it's also really really hard to find a QB capable of playing at that level so it's a tough question. Does Stafford make them more competitive? Yes. Does he help them win a Super Bowl in the Mahomes era? I have my doubts. Edited January 31, 2021 by HappyDays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, HappyDays said: It's not about tanking, it's about being realistic and spending your draft picks accordingly. Every team in the league with Super Bowl aspirations should be making their decisions with the question "does this help me beat KC?" in mind. I don't think trading multiple high picks for Stafford is a yes to that question. But it's also really really hard to find a QB capable of playing at that level so it's a tough question. Does Stafford make them more competitive? Yes. Does he help them win a Super Bowl? I have my doubts. What move is a yes to that question besides trading for Patrick Mahomes instead? 6 minutes ago, mannc said: How about just wins? And if you want to talk about yards, Goff passed for more yards and YPA the past four seasons (Goff’s only ones as a starter) than Stafford. Matt Stafford is better than Goff. We know for certain 2 teams agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, FireChans said: Matt Stafford is better than Goff. We know for certain 2 teams agree with that. No question that the Rams think that, but I would argue that NFL teams often are pretty lousy at evaluating QBs—even their own QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Didn't have time to go throught the thread, so sorry if this was discussed... Anybody has a clue if it is realistic for Lions to trade Goff now? Does it create any dead cap for them? I swear I educate myself on these matters this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, mannc said: No question that the Rams think that, but I would argue that NFL teams often are pretty lousy at evaluating QBs—even their own QBs. The Lions too considering they asked for more compensation to take Goff. I would argue fans are just as lousy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 "When it comes to picking a new team, it partially was Stafford’s decision. And his decision was to accept a trade anywhere but New England." https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/31/report-matthew-stafford-was-willing-to-go-anywhere-but-new-england/ So awesome! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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