Chiefs 19m Over Salary Cap in 2021

[Billl]

34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agreed. And that was my point really about Sneed. I like him, he has had a great rookie year, but how many nickel corners are difference makers in this league? Maybe he moves outside and continues to excel and proves me wrong. I think he could play out there but would be a role player on the boundary not a difference maker. 

Sneed’s played about 80% of the snaps when healthy.

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Billl said:

Sneed’s played about 80% of the snaps when healthy.

 

Yea he is a really good player. No doubt about that. But I don't think slot corners are difference makers as a rule and as discussed earlier I am a little more sceptical about his ability to excel on the boundary. I think he can play there but not sure he will be a star outside corner. If I am proved wrong about that then fair enough. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

5 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

The big cap hits for Mahomes don't really come in until 2023.  he's only 24 mil next year...and 31 in 2022.  Hits 42 mil in 2023.  

 

Mahomes was only just over 5 mil this season.

 

On the other hand though.....for example....Ryan Tannehill

 

2020 - 22 mil

2021 - 29 mil

2022 - 34 mil

2023 - 32 mil

 

Mahomes doesn't surpass Ryan Tannehill's cap number for 2 more years.....that is what KC is working with right now.  We aren't going away anytime soon.

 

with $7 to $10 Mil for rookies -- thats chump change.   Top players will eat the remainder up.  

 

[Billl]

41 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Not that the Chiefs haven't drafted well but don't mistake role players for difference makers.

The drafting has been interesting.  Veach didn’t have a first rounder in year 1 due to the Mahomes trade.  That draft was a complete bust, and not a single player will get a second contract.  Year 2 also didn’t have a first round pick due to the Frank Clark trade.  It landed Thornhill (very good pick), Hardman (next season will tell us more on that one) and a few role players like Saunders and Fenton.  It was a decent draft, but it didn’t fill in the gaps left from the prior draft.  Year 3 was a home run.  We needed a lot of players who could eat up snaps to make up for 2018, and we got that in spades.  Every player drafted made the team (excluding Niang who opted out but will be back next season), two UDFAs made the team, and a third has seen action in 11 games with one start.

 

At least 6 of those players will on the roster long term with major roles (CEH, Gay, Sneed, Danna, Wharton, and Townsend) and it’s very likely that Niang will be as well simply due to draft position and need.Keyes has played well in limited action, but that remains to be seen.  By next season, I fully expect CEH, Gay, Sneed, Niang, Townsend, and likely Wharton to be starters while Danna will compete with Clark and possibly replace him as starter in 2022.

 

Landing a minimum of 6 starters in a single draft/UDFA cycle is tremendous for any team, let alone one with a Super Bowl roster that returned 20 starters.  If all of them were simply role players, that would still be a win.  That’s not the case, though.  Sneed is already one of our top 3 defensive players, and Clyde is our feature back.  Those two are already difference makers.  The rest have only been role players so far, and that’s fine.  They’re young, and they’re cheap...two of the best qualities role players can have.  If nothing else, they allowed us to avoid paying premium prices for JAGs in free agency to fill a roster.

[ColoradoBills]

5 hours ago, HOUSE said:

I am $62 over limit on my Visa

 

Damn, I hope you don't lose your house House!

[Artem Lipatov]

7 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

I never quite understood this signing for KC.....Mahomes takes a guy like DeMarcus Robinson who only costs 1 million bucks...and gets Sammy Watkins production out of him.  I'd rather KC have signed a mid tier WR for 1/3rd the cost...

Sammy was their best WR statistically last year playoffs run. Actually he was #2 in receiving yards last postseason in whole league

[Dablitzkrieg]

9 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

With only 40 players under contract and thats with this years cap number of 200m

 

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/kansas-city-chiefs/

 

Their dynasty looks to be very short lived

You clearly haven't seen their quarterback have you? Or their wide receiver that torched us? Or their tight end then torched us?  unless the bills can find a man press corner in the draft they can demolish Tyreek Hill off the line they're not going to beat them.

[John from Riverside]

13 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

 

A guy can hope

 

They can`t afford to keep everyone .

Dont count on that to beat them

 

We need to take care of our own yard

[1ManRaid]

13 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

The big cap hits for Mahomes don't really come in until 2023.  he's only 24 mil next year...and 31 in 2022.  Hits 42 mil in 2023.  

 

Mahomes was only just over 5 mil this season.

 

On the other hand though.....for example....Ryan Tannehill

 

2020 - 22 mil

2021 - 29 mil

2022 - 34 mil

2023 - 32 mil

 

Mahomes doesn't surpass Ryan Tannehill's cap number for 2 more years.....that is what KC is working with right now.  We aren't going away anytime soon.

 

Doesn't this work against your argument?  You're already in a tight spot cap wise being 19m over with under 80% of a roster under contract, and Mahomes at the cheapest he'll be.  "Kicking the can" only gets harder and harder as your QB gets more expensive by the year.  It's like how people get trapped taking increasingly larger payday loans until they end up owing their entire paycheck to pay the small initial loan.

[NoSaint]

56 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

Doesn't this work against your argument?  You're already in a tight spot cap wise being 19m over with under 80% of a roster under contract, and Mahomes at the cheapest he'll be.  "Kicking the can" only gets harder and harder as your QB gets more expensive by the year.  It's like how people get trapped taking increasingly larger payday loans until they end up owing their entire paycheck to pay the small initial loan.

if the chiefs get 5 or so years in championship games, a hard rest for 2-3 years at .500 and then wrap with about 5 or so more of super bowl contention we’d all sign up for that for our team 

[Zerovoltz]

10 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

Doesn't this work against your argument?  You're already in a tight spot cap wise being 19m over with under 80% of a roster under contract, and Mahomes at the cheapest he'll be.  "Kicking the can" only gets harder and harder as your QB gets more expensive by the year.  It's like how people get trapped taking increasingly larger payday loans until they end up owing their entire paycheck to pay the small initial loan.

 

I don't think you are understanding how inconsequential this is at this point.  All KC has to do is convert a bunch of roster bonus...that counts NOW...into signing bonus, wich they can spread out to later.  You might say they'll have to pay the piper someday....and that's partially true...but in reality, assuming the cap begins to grow again (and it will...becasue  the TV numbers just keep going up)  you are just kicking that money into later years when the cap is going to also be bigger.  Maybe in several years, they will have kicked enough down the road that they finally have to have a year of eating cap hits to get the books back in order, but we are talking YEARS from now....

[BillsShredder83]

23 hours ago, Billzfan37 said:

Zerevolt visiting our board days after the Chiefs game is over reminds me of that guy in a zombie movie that gets bit, but doesn't tell anyone - just kind of has a look on his face like he has to poop.  I think he wishes he was a Bills fan, maybe there's something the mafia brings that he's missing in his Chief's fandom and life

@Zerovoltz you uhhhhhh, you know, think you gotta poop? LOL GREAT POST

[Billl]

On 1/27/2021 at 9:51 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

I would worry about Sneed outside in space. He does his best work in the mess in the middle of the field for me. He was moved to safety his final year at Louisiana Tech for that reason. Could he play outside? Sure but I think he is potentially a top end slot whereas I think he ceiling is lower outside. Ward and Breeland are both impending FAs though, right (though Ward maybe an RFA)? And I don't think either is a top end player. Breeland had a great year, no doubt, but I have a hard time trusting him to play that well again given his career history. I love Thornhill think he is fantastic and one of the young star safeties in the National Football League and obviously Mathieu is a stud. I just don't love their corner situation as much as you. I do think it is a need though I don't see them going there round 1.

Just saw a new write up on Sneed today.  It supports everything I’ve said about him and the Kansas City secondary as a whole.  Sneed isn’t a slot CB.  He’s a CB playing slot because that’s where he’s needed.  He played outside to start the season when Breeland was suspended for four games, and Sneed was clearly our best Corner the day he stepped on the field.  He was moved to the slot after Breeland came back because Breeland is most suited to play outside, but Sneed will eventually take over that spot.  In the meantime, the team plays nickel or dime 80% of the time, so he rarely comes off the field.

 

I’ve literally never been more impressed by a Chiefs rookie.  Dale Carter, Kareem Hunt, Marcus Peters, and Derrick Thomas all had great rookie seasons, and Sneed has been every bit as impressive as any of them to me.

 

https://fansided.com/2021/02/01/ljarius-sneed-chiefs-rookie-season-star/

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Billl said:

Just saw a new write up on Sneed today.  It supports everything I’ve said about him and the Kansas City secondary as a whole.  Sneed isn’t a slot CB.  He’s a CB playing slot because that’s where he’s needed.  He played outside to start the season when Breeland was suspended for four games, and Sneed was clearly our best Corner the day he stepped on the field.  He was moved to the slot after Breeland came back because Breeland is most suited to play outside, but Sneed will eventually take over that spot.  In the meantime, the team plays nickel or dime 80% of the time, so he rarely comes off the field.

 

I’ve literally never been more impressed by a Chiefs rookie.  Dale Carter, Kareem Hunt, Marcus Peters, and Derrick Thomas all had great rookie seasons, and Sneed has been every bit as impressive as any of them to me.

 

https://fansided.com/2021/02/01/ljarius-sneed-chiefs-rookie-season-star/

 

If I am proven wrong and he is a star outside I will happily accept it. I think he is a stud slot. He is the modern big nickel.

[Hebert19]

Well they have 5 or 6 guys making over 15M.    Thats not sustainable.  If the contracts are structured to get out at a low cost they may move on from a few.  

 

The scary part is that mahomes still isn't into the big part of contract next year. 

[Simon Says]

Cap isnt finalized yet. Chiefs have several contracts they could dump or rework so I think they will be OK

[BigDingus]

I wish it signaled the dynasty was over, but when you have Mahomes, Kelce & Hill, you'll be in contention for quite a while.

At the very least, it'll hamper their ability to sign any big name guys going forward & will have to rely on the draft to get by. And if the salary cap really drops to $180 million, that'll be even tougher on them. Great news for us

[RyanC883]

20 hours ago, BigDingus said:

I wish it signaled the dynasty was over, but when you have Mahomes, Kelce & Hill, you'll be in contention for quite a while.

At the very least, it'll hamper their ability to sign any big name guys going forward & will have to rely on the draft to get by. And if the salary cap really drops to $180 million, that'll be even tougher on them. Great news for us

 

KC also has CEH.  We are missing the 3rd part of a "big 3" on offense, as well as a great front 7 player like KC has.  I think we can get the RB in the draft, so we have Josh, Diggs, and RB; and then grab a DT/DE in FA.  

 

KC will still be tough to beat every year for the reason you said.  Those 3 always give them a chance to win.  

[transplantbillsfan]

On 1/27/2021 at 2:43 AM, Zerovoltz said:

 

 

It won't be.

 

Under contract for 2021 already:

Mahomes

Honey Badger

Hill

Kelce

Edwards-Hellaire

Hardman

Thornhill

Sneed

Chris Jones

 

Others.

 

That's the core.  We will work in other young guys and JAGS around that group...like we already do.

 

You might say...but they only have 40 guys under contract now, AND they still have to shed 18 million in money just to get to even...and THEN they need to free up even more money to sign rookies and vets to get to 53.  

 

All true.

 

And all easily done by converting salary to bonus money, then pro rating that out to future years and kicking the can on down the road.  If you believe the cap will grow again, this isn't a problem at all....

 

I don't really think KC will have a problem this coming year, but there will definitely be some tough decisions they'll have to make in the ensuing years.

 

As long as Mahomes, Kelce and Hill are in their prime playing at a high level, you'd be foolish to let them walk.  The issue might end up being Mahomes's contract in a few years.  It's team friendly now, but won't be in a few years.

[Zerovoltz]

 

 

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I don't really think KC will have a problem this coming year, but there will definitely be some tough decisions they'll have to make in the ensuing years.

 

As long as Mahomes, Kelce and Hill are in their prime playing at a high level, you'd be foolish to let them walk.  The issue might end up being Mahomes's contract in a few years.  It's team friendly now, but won't be in a few years.

 

Certainly, once we get into the bigger cap hits on Mahomes, you get roster construction challenges....I am sure when we get there...there will be some guys who leave, that will make it harder to win.

 

The Bills are getting ever closer to that same problem....

 

I'd say, and I am sure you'll agree with me....of all the problems to have....paying for the cap hits taken by a franchise QB...is one of the best ones.