Hebert19 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 2 hours ago, ganesh said: When someone deem you as their Franchise QB, there is no exit for you We are gonna see this get testing this off-season. I can see Stafford Ryan and Watson all in new unis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 26 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: We are gonna see this get testing this off-season. I can see Stafford Ryan and Watson all in new unis Sure will be interesting if ALL three move on to new surroundings.....specially Watson...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaLoko Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Stafford is just amazing to me. How he got trapped into a long term contract with a dead end franchise like the Lions is a head scratcher. He’s gotta be kicking himself! either kicking himself or whipping his back with the Millions of Dollars the Fords used to ¨trap¨ him... 😄 Edited January 19, 2021 by BuffaLoko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafioso Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 2 hours ago, chris heff said: Washington didn’t few Cousins as franchise QB. Despite the knocks on Cousins, I really like his story... People forget that Cousins was a 4th round pick (drafted by the same team as RG3) and was a 2 star recruit coming out of high school...he wasn't expected to amount to much (if anything) in the NFL, unlike others on the list in this thread. Michigan State was the only Power 5 school to offer him (at the last minute)...a team that already had Brian Hoyer and Nick Foles on the roster. Cousins ultimately beat out Foles who transferred to Arizona. What he has accomplished in his career despite obvious athletic limitations is amazing. He had to sit behind RG3 for years before finally beating him out...then had to play two years on the Franchise Tag before finally getting the monster deal with Minnesota. Good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 7 hours ago, dneveu said: The bills and Allen have won 2 this year - and that the following players have fewer than 2 in their careers: Cousins - 104 starts Stafford - 165 starts Watson - 54 starts Prescott - 69 starts Carr - 110 starts I know its a team stat - but at the end of the day, these guys have 2 total wins among them and are among the highest paid players at their position. I think it’s another positive stat but like you said, it’s more of a team stat. Blake Bortles also has 2 playoff wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenReceipts Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Max Fischer said: Wins are not a QB stat Wins are absolutely a QB Stat. That is a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: Wins are absolutely a QB Stat. That is a fact. link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artem Lipatov Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 8 hours ago, jletha said: Even more wild is that the entire Lions franchise only has 1(!) single playoff win in the the Superbowl era. Moreover they had arguably the best RB and WR of all-time in Barry Sanders and Megatron. Unbelievable waste of talent ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenReceipts Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 19 minutes ago, prissythecat said: link? ProFootballReference, the Encyclopedia of Football Let's use Josh as an example https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm Under "Passing" look at the special "QBrec" column that only exists for QBs. There is no "WRrec", "RBrec", "TErec", "LBrec", "DBrec", etc. Only a special "QBrec" for QBs There is a reason why they only keep track of Wins and Losses for the QB (and Head Coach, and team) but no other position on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: ProFootballReference, the Encyclopedia of Football Let's use Josh as an example https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm Under "Passing" look at the special "QBrec" column that only exists for QBs. There is no "WRrec", "RBrec", "TErec", "LBrec", "DBrec", etc. Only a special "QBrec" for QBs There is a reason why they only keep track of Wins and Losses for the QB (and Head Coach, and team) but no other position on the field. The label of that QBrec column reads as "Team record in games started by this QB (regular season)" Team is the operative word here. To show how flawed your argument is, what happens if say Josh Allen started a game and threw 3 passes that were all incomplete before he got benched for Matt Barkley to rest for the playoffs? Barkley proceeds to handoff the ball say 40 times and the Bills manage to win. Josh Allen would get credit for the win under that QBrec column even though he had zero contribution to the win. Edited January 20, 2021 by prissythecat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 2 hours ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: Wins are absolutely a QB Stat. That is a fact. Fact? How so? When did we start judging QBs by team wins and losses? Are there 25 better QBs than Deshaun Watson this year? I mean, they had better records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 3 hours ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: Wins are absolutely a QB Stat. That is a fact. True but Joe Flacco has more playoff victories than Dan Marino so that stat can be slightly misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 8 hours ago, Max Fischer said: Wins are not a QB stat Not really sure where the OP is coming from here. Puts up a small, random list of QBs. Some quite good, some middling, some journeymen, some stuck in bad franchises. Points out Josh Allen has won 2 playoff games to their zero. OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 10 hours ago, Limeaid said: Cousins exited. The Redskins never thought of him as their Franchise QB...That is why they never signed him to a long term deal 9 hours ago, BillsFanThru-N-Thru said: Also quit little note Josh has 2 or more playoffs win in 1 season same amount as Drew Brees has. Brees only had 2 or more in their SuperBowl run all therest have either been 1 or done or none It is hard to win in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock'em Sock'em Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 4 hours ago, prissythecat said: link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 20 hours ago, chongli said: Neither are they in baseball for pitchers, but they are. Baseball experts and most fans do not use wins to determine a pitcher's value. There are at least 8 or 9 other stats that are far more valuable. Exhibit #1: Jacob DeGrom (I mean, do you need more evidence?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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