Mr. WEO Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, sirebors said: Hmmmmmm..... Lotsa crow to be eaten... Bills’ Josh Allen willing to structure extension to help team stay competitive (report) https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2021/06/bills-josh-allen-willing-to-structure-extension-to-help-team-stay-competitive-report.html Report: Josh Allen Willing to Help Bills 'a Little Bit' in New Contract; 'Loves' BUF | Bleacher Report | Latest News, Videos and Highlights https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10006247-report-josh-allen-willing-to-help-bills-a-little-bit-in-new-contract-loves-buf How much did he sign for? Plus, BOTH articles you cited are based on the same report by Fowler, in which he actually says..... this: "Certainly, he’s not going to take a discount by any stretch—he’s a top-five quarterback." Edited June 21, 2021 by Mr. WEO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirebors Posted June 21, 2021 Author Share Posted June 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: How much did he sign for? Plus the second article you cited actually said this: "Certainly, he’s not going to take a discount by any stretch—he’s a top-five quarterback." Did you even bother to read the title of this post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Sirebores, he must have read the article as he just cited the last line of the article. I read it as well, and the article is confusing as he writes on one hand news willing to structure the deal to remain competitive, but then Allen will not take a cut from market value. The only logical inference is he’ll agree to back end a deal. That’s what I read from it. That still gels with Weo’s point. No low end deal, just placed in a way where there is more $ Up front. My only hope is Allen agrees to a similar deal that Mahomes took over a very long period of time. Mahomes deal will be obsolete in five years from elite QB’s in 2026. Mahomes still won as he has security for a decade and allows the contract people to keep converting over time to signing bonus so the team keeps finding ways to keep Kielce, buy another offensive line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 5 hours ago, sirebors said: Did you even bother to read the title of this post? The article specifically mentions he won’t take a discount like you suggested in the very first sentence of original post. It states flexibility in the structure….that’s not a discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) Of course he would. He isn't stupid. By team friendly he means it will be structured in a way that allows the Bills the most cap freedom possible while still having guaranteed money that is competitive for his value on the open market. He isn't going to give them a discount per se but he will make sure to allow them the ability to keep as many pieces around his as possible....likely means lower salary for the first few years while the Cap is lower and back loading higher dollars as the cap explodes over the next 3-5 years as the TV revenues kick in and the COVID losses are gobbled up. Why wouldn't he? He loves the area, loves the team, has a great relationship with the team and front office and wants to be as successful as possible long term. Edited June 21, 2021 by Big Turk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 If he wants to keep pieces around him, he'll have to take some sort of a discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Depends on how serious Josh is about winning a Super Bowl. Tom Brady owes a lot of his success to his frequent pay cuts and team friendly deals. If he just wants to get paid like Russell Wilson, then he'll take the biggest deal possible. What kind of deal Josh takes will tell us a lot about his football character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 19 minutes ago, Doc said: If he wants to keep pieces around him, he'll have to take some sort of a discount. Not in overall money it sounds like. Just flexibility to move things around. 4 minutes ago, Fingon said: Depends on how serious Josh is about winning a Super Bowl. Tom Brady owes a lot of his success to his frequent pay cuts and team friendly deals. If he just wants to get paid like Russell Wilson, then he'll take the biggest deal possible. What kind of deal Josh takes will tell us a lot about his football character. Do you question Mahomes's football character being the highest paid QB? And Brady was getting paid in different ways....it's the Patriot Way. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ranking-nfls-seven-new-head-coaches-in-2021-by-ownership-front-office-roster-and-recent-history/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 On 3/29/2021 at 9:42 PM, Zerovoltz said: This would be a case where I would wonder if the Pegulas have the kind of cash you need to be able to operate that way. I wonder this because the Bills already don't do business in this manor. That isn't to say that Can't.....but they don't seem to be a can kicker organization. This is more Brandon Beane’s philosophy on the salary cap then it is the Pegulas not having money. Maybe you’re right and it’s because they’re cash poor… but I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Not in overall money it sounds like. Just flexibility to move things around. Do you question Mahomes's football character being the highest paid QB? And Brady was getting paid in different ways....it's the Patriot Way. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ranking-nfls-seven-new-head-coaches-in-2021-by-ownership-front-office-roster-and-recent-history/ If Mahomes doesn't renegotiate his contract to lower his cap hit in future years, then yes I question his desire to win multiple Super Bowls. History tells us that top paid QBs do not win championships, and that QBs with team friendly deals do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: How much did he sign for? Plus, BOTH articles you cited are based on the same report by Fowler, in which he actually says..... this: "Certainly, he’s not going to take a discount by any stretch—he’s a top-five quarterback." Yup. Pretty much every player who signs a large contract structures it in a team friendly way. Large signing bonuses that prorate over the course of the deals are typical - and those are not exactly hardships on the players. It’s a nice PR move, but in reality he wouldn't be giving anything up. Let us see where it lands and then make our judgements. I would not begrudge him getting paid his worth. It’s a business for him. I do find a lot of the “Josh is such a great guy he’ll take a big discount” crowd very funny though. Edited June 21, 2021 by BarleyNY 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 7 hours ago, sirebors said: Hmmmmmm..... Lotsa crow to be eaten... Bills’ Josh Allen willing to structure extension to help team stay competitive (report) https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2021/06/bills-josh-allen-willing-to-structure-extension-to-help-team-stay-competitive-report.html Report: Josh Allen Willing to Help Bills 'a Little Bit' in New Contract; 'Loves' BUF | Bleacher Report | Latest News, Videos and Highlights https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10006247-report-josh-allen-willing-to-help-bills-a-little-bit-in-new-contract-loves-buf Those links are about him being willing to be team friendly on structure, which wasn't quite WEO's point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 7 hours ago, sirebors said: Hmmmmmm..... Lotsa crow to be eaten... Bills’ Josh Allen willing to structure extension to help team stay competitive (report) https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2021/06/bills-josh-allen-willing-to-structure-extension-to-help-team-stay-competitive-report.html Report: Josh Allen Willing to Help Bills 'a Little Bit' in New Contract; 'Loves' BUF | Bleacher Report | Latest News, Videos and Highlights https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10006247-report-josh-allen-willing-to-help-bills-a-little-bit-in-new-contract-loves-buf structure, not take less money. Big difference 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, Fingon said: If Mahomes doesn't renegotiate his contract to lower his cap hit in future years, then yes I question his desire to win multiple Super Bowls. History tells us that top paid QBs do not win championships, and that QBs with team friendly deals do. Well Brady was the top paid QB last year...I believe overall highest paid player. I'm not a capologist but you can still be the highest paid player at your position but have flexibility to move money around to save cap room for the team. Mahomes did it this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Well Brady was the top paid QB last year...I believe overall highest paid player. I'm not a capologist but you can still be the highest paid player at your position but have flexibility to move money around to save cap room for the team. Mahomes did it this year. Brady had the 6th highest cap hit among QBs in 2020 and is 15th this year: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2020/cap-hit/quarterback/ https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/quarterback/ He was even lower on total cash paid at 8th. Mahomes also has a super low cap hit because his extension hasn't even kicked in yet. Edited June 21, 2021 by Fingon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 34 minutes ago, Fingon said: Brady had the 6th highest cap hit among QBs in 2020 and is 15th this year: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2020/cap-hit/quarterback/ https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/quarterback/ He was even lower on total cash paid at 8th. Mahomes also has a super low cap hit because his extension hasn't even kicked in yet. Yes, cap hit but overall money, Brady was the highest paid player. This is the part where I am not an expert....contracts worded where they player still keeps the money and gives relief to the cap. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/06/tom-brady-super-bowl-lvs-highest-earner.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 9 hours ago, sirebors said: Did you even bother to read the title of this post? I said he wouldn't take a hometown discount. You attempted to refute this by posting 2 articles quoting the same guy who specifically said: "certainly....he's not going to take a discount". I'm assuming you didn't read either article you cited.....or, as everyone above has pointed out, structuring a deal in a "team friendly" way is nothing like voluntarily taking less money to play for the Bills than he is worth on the market. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Fingon said: Depends on how serious Josh is about winning a Super Bowl. Tom Brady owes a lot of his success to his frequent pay cuts and team friendly deals. If he just wants to get paid like Russell Wilson, then he'll take the biggest deal possible. What kind of deal Josh takes will tell us a lot about his football character. NE won SB with Brady before he changed his deals. And by taking less money, that really didn't really result in many significant weapons. He was still winning with Gronk, some little slot receivers and JAG RBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Pegs needs to get creative, like how Bob Kraft got creative giving Marcia millions in side deals and endorsements. Team friendly my ass. Cheatin' *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 He shouldn't sign a friendly team contract this early in his career. He needs to maximize his value right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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