BuffaloBobs Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 minute ago, MDH said: I think its helped all offenses. There is a reason scoring is way up this year. I think somewhere there was an analysis of the way that refs have been calling games to favor the offense too FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 I do think it helped Josh, but I also think it helped ALL QB's across the league. Assuming it did help, I also think that he'll be fine when the full compliment of fans come back. I believe he would have developed either way, but this may have helped him develop more quickly. I also agree that some of Allen's best performances in the past - the Minnesota game as a rookie, several Miami games, the Dallas and Pittsburgh games last year, etc. were in front of fans and he did just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 21 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I mentioned this somewhere else yesterday. Josh has said that he changed his pregame music this year from harder, pumped up rock and rap to smoother, more relaxed stuff like Sinatra. Helps him stay settled and cool. And he said he notices he starts much better now. I'm a little worried that the fans at the game tomorrow will get our team a little too jacked to start. Yeah, wouldn't want to be too jacked up, might accidentally blow them out by 40 and really reinforce our newfound reputation for being disrespectful and running up scores. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: I think it helped him because he was able to shout out directions/ blocking assignments easier. His rapport with Diggs is extraordinary in one year and I think him being able to communicate easier with him helped build rapport quicker. I would also say the lack of crowd noise let him focus and also didnt get him so excited as before. He was under control pretty much through the entire year. By next year a 4 yr guy he will be more a master of communication with his receivers and more in control of his emotions so he can use the excitement from the crowd to feed off of. I think that's true around the NFL in general. Crowd noise when your team is on defense is used to create home field advantage by disrupting signal calling. But even the lower db crowd noise when your team is on offense makes it harder to change things at the line of scrimmage. This may be sacrilege, but ... I liked it. I mean, I want crowds, I want noise, but I'm a little tired of the 120 db Seattle 12th man stuff or even the slightly lower Bills noise. Great offense is great football, particularly in the modern era where we no longer celebrate or even allow the "big hit" on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, MDH said: I think its helped all offenses. There is a reason scoring is way up this year. That and the officials which have, imo, followed the directive to call less penalties. 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I think that's true around the NFL in general. Crowd noise when your team is on defense is used to create home field advantage by disrupting signal calling. But even the lower db crowd noise when your team is on offense makes it harder to change things at the line of scrimmage. This may be sacrilege, but ... I liked it. I mean, I want crowds, I want noise, but I'm a little tired of the 120 db Seattle 12th man stuff or even the slightly lower Bills noise. Great offense is great football, particularly in the modern era where we no longer celebrate or even allow the "big hit" on defense. Great post and I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 23 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I mentioned this somewhere else yesterday. Josh has said that he changed his pregame music this year from harder, pumped up rock and rap to smoother, more relaxed stuff like Sinatra. Helps him stay settled and cool. And he said he notices he starts much better now. I'm a little worried that the fans at the game tomorrow will get our team a little too jacked to start. He said in a number of interviews last year that he listened to Elvis and so forth last year, not hopped up rock. So I don't think this is a "this year" change. I think the difference is upstairs. Last year after the NE game when Josh "got religion" that he needed to work more on decoding NFL defenses and their confusing coverages, he worked hard to prepare before the game but I think he went into a lot of them with the feeling "I hope the preparation was enough". I think he worked very hard during the off season to improve there, and then "leveled up" in his pre-game prep even more after the Titans and KC games. So now he goes into games with the feeling "let's see what they've got for me and if it's something I haven't seen before we'll figure it out". Preparation makes a huge difference to nerves for many, if not most, people. The other factor, I believe, is that whereas before Allen felt it's on him, he's got to be amped up and give it his all to make it happen, right now it's starting to seep into his pores that he's got a team around him and all he has to do is give them the chance to make a play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 I agree with most JA was already on an excellent improvement trajectory. The combination of factors lack of crowd/officiating helped all QBs/Offenses. I think the person who most benefited was Bass. It seemed like a great way to develop a rookie K. Bass' troubles were early and seemed a little pressure related. Now he has the hang of things and will slowly integrate crowd pressure into the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: He said in a number of interviews last year that he listened to Elvis and so forth last year, not hopped up rock. So I don't think this is a "this year" change. I mean, he just said it in a recent interview so... 🤷♂️ Maybe Elvis IS hopped up rock to him compared to Sinatra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 32 minutes ago, Irv said: I'm wondering if the empty stadiums helped Josh this year. Maybe helped him change plays, see a little better against a solid backdrop. Maybe without the crowd he didn't get too hopped up? Before you ask: Yes. I am working from home and....no, I don't have anything better to think about. And, yes, I do need to get a life. Like others, I’ve definitely thought about this as well. I believe it could’ve played a factor. That said, I think he’s grown, and it won’t be necessarily a factor down the road playing before the crowds again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 I'm more worried about myself than the crowd affecting Josh. Can it be tomorrow already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 42 minutes ago, Irv said: I'm wondering if the empty stadiums helped Josh this year. Maybe helped him change plays, see a little better against a solid backdrop. Maybe without the crowd he didn't get too hopped up? Before you ask: Yes. I am working from home and....no, I don't have anything better to think about. And, yes, I do need to get a life. Kudos to you for covering all angles from getting destroyed by this board. To answer your questions, I think maybe partially. However, he still had to read the defenses and make the throws... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He said in a number of interviews last year that he listened to Elvis and so forth last year, not hopped up rock. So I don't think this is a "this year" change. I think the difference is upstairs. Last year after the NE game when Josh "got religion" that he needed to work more on decoding NFL defenses and their confusing coverages, he worked hard to prepare before the game but I think he went into a lot of them with the feeling "I hope the preparation was enough". I think he worked very hard during the off season to improve there, and then "leveled up" in his pre-game prep even more after the Titans and KC games. So now he goes into games with the feeling "let's see what they've got for me and if it's something I haven't seen before we'll figure it out". Preparation makes a huge difference to nerves for many, if not most, people. The other factor, I believe, is that whereas before Allen felt it's on him, he's got to be amped up and give it his all to make it happen, right now it's starting to seep into his pores that he's got a team around him and all he has to do is give them the chance to make a play. Agreed. I'm not one of our All 22 obsessives (though I do enjoy their comments), but just watching the games this year: in his first two years we saw criticism of Allen's accuracy and also his inability to spot the open man. This year, I honestly can't recall a comment from anyone who knows their stuff about Allen throwing into coverage or getting sacked when there was an open receiver he failed to see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 it may of helped him to an extent, but there were away games with fans, and I think that would be a bigger determent. I think he will be fine with fans. I think if anything the D will benefit from having fans there. Even if JA comes out too jacked up, McD and Diggs will be able to calm him down, and it generally results in overthrows from JA, so I'm not too worried, but a good topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 I think his improvement is due less to the issue of fans (or no fans) and more to the hard work he has put in, more experience in the system (for Josh and his teammates), additional talent (Diggs), and more trust in those around him. He's a smart kid with a strong work ethic and an incredible desire to be better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 I do think it helped him progress more than what he would have been able to with the crowd Its provided the perfect atmosphere to train a young QB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Yeah I do. Just looking at the Bills record against the spread since Allen started there's a difference between the home and away games. IMO, with a home crowd behind him that eagerness to please can make him play hero ball too often and gets him overly amped before a game impacting his accuracy. Home: 2018-2019 (6-8) 2020 (6-2) Away: 2018 -2019 (9-3-2) 2020 (5-3) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 I think the hard work he puts in everyday, the addition of Diggs, and the third year in the same growing offense is where his improvement came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Zay Jone's empty locker helped him more 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 36 minutes ago, msw2112 said: I do think it helped Josh, but I also think it helped ALL QB's across the league. Assuming it did help, I also think that he'll be fine when the full compliment of fans come back. I believe he would have developed either way, but this may have helped him develop more quickly. I also agree that some of Allen's best performances in the past - the Minnesota game as a rookie, several Miami games, the Dallas and Pittsburgh games last year, etc. were in front of fans and he did just fine. I agree here - makes it easier to get your playcalls in, and your hard counts are much more effective. But a lot of the pre/post snap stuff isn't really affected by noise imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsToast Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Irv said: I'm wondering if the empty stadiums helped Josh this year. Maybe helped him change plays, see a little better against a solid backdrop. Maybe without the crowd he didn't get too hopped up? Before you ask: Yes. I am working from home and....no, I don't have anything better to think about. And, yes, I do need to get a life. It helped every QB across the board, the question is next year and if he continues the progress he's shown. There is still the possibility of regress from acclimation, but I still think there "aint no mountain high enough" for Josh....... Rosen And get a life hahahaha j/k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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