CommonCents Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 8 hours ago, Jauronimo said: Looks like hes the most blitzed but times pressured per drop back hes 21st. Lots of blitzes, not a lot of pressure from blitzing if I'm interpreting that correctly. As opposed to Wentz who is second most blitzed, most hits, most pressures, 6th in pressure percentage. Interestingly enough, upcoming opponent Nick Mullens has faced the most pressures per drop back. I’m not a Wentz guy but if there are any metrics on WRs getting off the line of scrimmage the Eagles easily have to be the worst in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 I think the only way a defense can dominate a QB like Allen or a Brady or a Manning is if you can apply pressure with simply your front four. In order to do that though you need elite players at pretty much every position though.. Very hard to do.. And costs lots of $$$$$$$$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 11 hours ago, Jauronimo said: Looks like hes the most blitzed but times pressured per drop back hes 21st. Lots of blitzes, not a lot of pressure from blitzing if I'm interpreting that correctly. As opposed to Wentz who is second most blitzed, most hits, most pressures, 6th in pressure percentage. Interestingly enough, upcoming opponent Nick Mullens has faced the most pressures per drop back. hopefully Mullens has a Duck Hodges type game agains us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 8 hours ago, CommonCents said: I’m not a Wentz guy but if there are any metrics on WRs getting off the line of scrimmage the Eagles easily have to be the worst in the league. But even when they do Wentz doesn't throw it to them. 6 hours ago, Victory Formation said: I think the only way a defense can dominate a QB like Allen or a Brady or a Manning is if you can apply pressure with simply your front four. In order to do that though you need elite players at pretty much every position though.. Very hard to do.. And costs lots of $$$$$$$$$. Agreed. I don't think blitzing a lot is the way to go against any top QB. It can work ocassionally as a specific plan but more often than not they will just be too good at getting to their hots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 9 hours ago, Penfield45 said: One thing that would elevate this offense to the next level is an elite pass catching rb who can take any screen pass to the house countering these blitzes with 30-40yard screens would be ideal Brilliant suggestion! Why didn’t we think of this? We need more sure fire 30-40 yard screens! THATs the ticket! 🤦♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, MJS said: That's the total number of blitzes, right? But what's the percentage of times he is blitzed? Here it using Pro Football reference data: Definitions: Blitz % = # Blitz/Dropbacks = # Blitz/( #Atts + #Scrambles+ #Sacks) Hurry % = (#sacks + #hurrys + #hits + #scrambes)/ Dropbacks 100 dropbacks or more Allen #4 in blitz percentage and #25 in hurry percentage Blitz % Hurry % Tua Tagovailoa 44.6% 14.3% Cam Newton 44.1% 27.5% Joe Flacco 38.4% 29.5% Josh Allen 38.3% 20.6% Daniel Jones 38.2% 27.5% Jake Luton 37.3% 21.2% Sam Darnold 37.2% 27.9% Baker Mayfield 34.1% 14.5% Andy Dalton 33.9% 14.6% Ryan Fitzpatrick 33.6% 21.9% Carson Wentz 33.4% 27.0% Jared Goff 32.9% 15.5% Matthew Stafford 32.4% 23.3% Nick Mullens 32.3% 30.0% Jimmy Garoppolo 32.3% 20.0% Ryan Tannehill 31.9% 23.1% Aaron Rodgers 31.8% 13.1% Derek Carr 31.0% 17.7% Russell Wilson 30.9% 27.0% Joe Burrow 30.5% 20.8% Kirk Cousins 30.0% 24.9% Ben Roethlisberger 29.7% 15.3% Nick Foles 29.5% 21.4% Drew Lock 29.2% 24.1% Deshaun Watson 29.1% 23.8% Justin Herbert 28.8% 26.1% Teddy Bridgewater 27.8% 18.4% Matt Ryan 27.1% 24.4% Dak Prescott 27.1% 21.3% Lamar Jackson 25.5% 22.1% Dwayne Haskins 24.5% 22.7% Kyler Murray 24.4% 17.3% Tom Brady 23.3% 16.8% Drew Brees 22.9% 13.5% Alex Smith 22.0% 29.5% Gardner Minshew II 21.0% 21.9% Mitchell Trubisky 20.4% 21.1% Philip Rivers 20.1% 14.7% Patrick Mahomes 19.7% 20.1% Edited December 5, 2020 by Billy Claude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Billy Claude said: Here it using Pro Football reference data: Definitions: Blitz % = # Blitz/Dropbacks = # Blitz/( Atts + Scrambles) Hurry % = (#sacks + #hurrys + #hits + #scrambes)/ Dropbacks 100 dropbacks or more Allen #4 in blitz percentage and #25 in hurry percentage Blitz % Hurry % Tua Tagovailoa 44.6% 14.3% Cam Newton 44.1% 27.5% Joe Flacco 38.4% 29.5% Josh Allen 38.3% 20.6% Daniel Jones 38.2% 27.5% Jake Luton 37.3% 21.2% Sam Darnold 37.2% 27.9% Baker Mayfield 34.1% 14.5% Andy Dalton 33.9% 14.6% Ryan Fitzpatrick 33.6% 21.9% Carson Wentz 33.4% 27.0% Jared Goff 32.9% 15.5% Matthew Stafford 32.4% 23.3% Nick Mullens 32.3% 30.0% Jimmy Garoppolo 32.3% 20.0% Ryan Tannehill 31.9% 23.1% Aaron Rodgers 31.8% 13.1% Derek Carr 31.0% 17.7% Russell Wilson 30.9% 27.0% Joe Burrow 30.5% 20.8% Kirk Cousins 30.0% 24.9% Ben Roethlisberger 29.7% 15.3% Nick Foles 29.5% 21.4% Drew Lock 29.2% 24.1% Deshaun Watson 29.1% 23.8% Justin Herbert 28.8% 26.1% Teddy Bridgewater 27.8% 18.4% Matt Ryan 27.1% 24.4% Dak Prescott 27.1% 21.3% Lamar Jackson 25.5% 22.1% Dwayne Haskins 24.5% 22.7% Kyler Murray 24.4% 17.3% Tom Brady 23.3% 16.8% Drew Brees 22.9% 13.5% Alex Smith 22.0% 29.5% Gardner Minshew II 21.0% 21.9% Mitchell Trubisky 20.4% 21.1% Philip Rivers 20.1% 14.7% Patrick Mahomes 19.7% 20.1% Wow, interesting. And to be #4 in blitz percentage and #25 in hurry percentage is crazy good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Wow, interesting. And to be #4 in blitz percentage and #25 in hurry percentage is crazy good. Top of list is all young qbs except for Flacco and Newton. Most of bottom of list all veterans (Rivers, Brees, Smith, Brady) and Mahomes is a special case but why don't people blitz Trubisky and Minshew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Billy Claude said: Top of list is all young qbs except for Flacco and Newton. Most of bottom of list all veterans (Rivers, Brees, Smith, Brady) and Mahomes is a special case but why don't people blitz Trubisky and Minshew? You don't blitz Trubisky because it means playing man on the backend and he really struggles reading zone coverages. What you will see teams do a lot against Trubisky is show blitz then drop would be blitzers out into shallow zones. He struggled with that in college and he struggles with it in the NFL. He is good for a few picks a season in exactly that manner. Haven't really studied Minshew in enough depth to know why teams don't blitz him. Edited December 5, 2020 by GunnerBill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: You don't blitz Trubisky because it means playing man on the backend and he really struggles reading zone coverages. What you will see teams do a lot against Trubisky is show blitz then drop would be blitzers out into shallow zones. He struggled with that in college and he struggles with it in the NFL. He is good for a few picks a season in exactly that manner. Haven't really studied Minshew in enough depth to know why teams don't blitz him. Thanks. Makes sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Between the blitzing and Allen's propensity to hold on to the ball, there is a lot of pressure on the Bills' offensive line when it comes to pass blocking. I hope he sends them all some very nice Christmas gifts. Fortunately, Allen is both very tough and mobile. What I really like about Allen is he is becoming a QB with no glaring weaknesses. He's good versus zone defense, he's good versus man defense. He evades pressure. He can run, both designed runs and scrambles. He can pas short and he can pass long. That lack of weaknesses makes it very hard for opposing defensive coordinators to scheme against him. 2 hours ago, Billy Claude said: Here it using Pro Football reference data: Definitions: Blitz % = # Blitz/Dropbacks = # Blitz/( #Atts + #Scrambles+ #Sacks) Hurry % = (#sacks + #hurrys + #hits + #scrambes)/ Dropbacks 100 dropbacks or more Allen #4 in blitz percentage and #25 in hurry percentage Blitz % Hurry % Tua Tagovailoa 44.6% 14.3% Cam Newton 44.1% 27.5% Joe Flacco 38.4% 29.5% Josh Allen 38.3% 20.6% Daniel Jones 38.2% 27.5% Jake Luton 37.3% 21.2% Sam Darnold 37.2% 27.9% Baker Mayfield 34.1% 14.5% Andy Dalton 33.9% 14.6% Ryan Fitzpatrick 33.6% 21.9% Carson Wentz 33.4% 27.0% Jared Goff 32.9% 15.5% Matthew Stafford 32.4% 23.3% Nick Mullens 32.3% 30.0% Jimmy Garoppolo 32.3% 20.0% Ryan Tannehill 31.9% 23.1% Aaron Rodgers 31.8% 13.1% Derek Carr 31.0% 17.7% Russell Wilson 30.9% 27.0% Joe Burrow 30.5% 20.8% Kirk Cousins 30.0% 24.9% Ben Roethlisberger 29.7% 15.3% Nick Foles 29.5% 21.4% Drew Lock 29.2% 24.1% Deshaun Watson 29.1% 23.8% Justin Herbert 28.8% 26.1% Teddy Bridgewater 27.8% 18.4% Matt Ryan 27.1% 24.4% Dak Prescott 27.1% 21.3% Lamar Jackson 25.5% 22.1% Dwayne Haskins 24.5% 22.7% Kyler Murray 24.4% 17.3% Tom Brady 23.3% 16.8% Drew Brees 22.9% 13.5% Alex Smith 22.0% 29.5% Gardner Minshew II 21.0% 21.9% Mitchell Trubisky 20.4% 21.1% Philip Rivers 20.1% 14.7% Patrick Mahomes 19.7% 20.1% The top 4 in blitz percentage are all QBs in the AFC East. How crazy is that? "Our opponent this week is in the AFC East. That means we'll be blitzing a lot." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, TigerJ said: The top 4 in blitz percentage are all QBs in the AFC East. How crazy is that? "Our opponent this week is in the AFC East. That means we'll be blitzing a lot." I'm assuming all of this is also affected by your schedule. Sometimes you face blitz happy schemes. Sometimes not. For instance, if you face Gregg Williams you pretty much know he'll be blitzing all game long regardless of who he is facing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, MJS said: I'm assuming all of this is also affected by your schedule. Sometimes you face blitz happy schemes. Sometimes not. For instance, if you face Gregg Williams you pretty much know he'll be blitzing all game long regardless of who he is facing. Yeah, schedule is going to be a factor in that, but it still seems unusual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 1 hour ago, TigerJ said: Between the blitzing and Allen's propensity to hold on to the ball, there is a lot of pressure on the Bills' offensive line when it comes to pass blocking. I hope he sends them all some very nice Christmas gifts. Fortunately, Allen is both very tough and mobile. What I really like about Allen is he is becoming a QB with no glaring weaknesses. He's good versus zone defense, he's good versus man defense. He evades pressure. He can run, both designed runs and scrambles. He can pas short and he can pass long. That lack of weaknesses makes it very hard for opposing defensive coordinators to scheme against him. The top 4 in blitz percentage are all QBs in the AFC East. How crazy is that? "Our opponent this week is in the AFC East. That means we'll be blitzing a lot." Yeah, but the sample size is too small to give real credit to Tua and Flacco. That puts Allen below only Newton as best in the league against the blitz. I notice that Allen is ninth best in bad-throw percentage. As someone here said, he's top ten or top eleven in pretty much every category you can think of, including, alas, percentage of passes dropped by his receivers. 😒 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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