4BillsintheBurgh Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 17 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: He has the yips because the line can't block and the receivers can't separate. He's missing his go-to guy in Ertz too, and his cast of pass-catchers right now is a bunch of nobodies. I doubt he has much trust in any of them except for Goeddert, who is clearly inferior to Ertz. I think if that happened to us we would see hero Josh a lot more and all the issues that come with that. Hopefully in a couple years Josh will be able to leave that behind for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalophil1948 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: I heard Dabs can still run quickly.... Towards the buffet table 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Daboll and Patricia would make the fattest HC and Coordinator combo in the history of the NFL. They need to hire Freddie Kitchens as OC and they will cause a gravitational pull. You sure? Edited December 2, 2020 by DJB 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, golfball323 said: Great stuff. Thanks. If we lose Daboll, do we think that there is an arrangement to keep his system in place with an in house promotion? Or do we go elsewhere? I am guessing Dorsey Just don't bring back Nate Hackett....he is screwing up the Pack right now. Edited December 2, 2020 by bigK14094 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 2 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said: I am pretty sure that teams will accept a Super Bowl win with that playbook like the Iggles did. Better to burn out than it is to rust? 100% I would take it, but you still run the risk of that first year lighting the league on fire like Nagy only to stumble to the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Pete Carroll, Bruce Arians, Vic Fangio and Andy Reid top my "don't be surprised" list. Mostly because of their age. Carroll will be 70, Arians will be 69 with health issues, and Fangio will be 69 and looks completely miserable. Andy Reid, if he wins another SB, that might be enough for him and KC has the heir apparent in Bieniemy. My dark horse is Matt Nagy. I think Chicago might do some deep cleaning. It's not working there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 4 hours ago, H2o said: With all of these openings, if Saleh and Bienemy aren't HC's next year at this time then something is wrong. I've read people in the NFL are not as high on Bienemy as the media is. I wouldnt be shocked if he didnt get a job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 5 hours ago, warrior9 said: I think Mike McCarthy is and has been one of the worst head coaches in the NFL over 13-15 years but him being in trouble just isn't fair, really. I'd say there is next to 0% chance he isn't back next year. Injuries to Dak, along the offensive line, and defense just can't be overcame. His in game coaching is still abysmal, though. The fact that Anthony Lynn still has a job surprises me. Mike Zimmer won't be let go. I just can't see that happening. The talk in LA is because of Herbert, you might be able to lure a big name like Urban Meyer rather than settle for a mediocre coordinator. I would stick Lynn closer to brink then trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 2, 2020 Author Share Posted December 2, 2020 3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Excellent work, thanks for the info. I think 8 is always the over under for HC firings. Having Patricia as DC would help Daboll in the same way that having Gus Bradley helped Anthony Lynn. If you are going to hire an unknown like Daboll who has been fired from 3 coordinating jobs in the NFL you really need him to bring a staff you can sell to the fans. But I think that there will be somewhat surprising retread hires as well so Daboll is far from a lock for a HC job. I do think that the situation is more ripe than ever for college coaches to jump though too. A lot of these college programs are losing epic dollars this season and the chaos in college football has to be maddening for a HC. I suspect more than a few major college HC's have been asked to forego payments or take salary cuts........and they are working as hard as ever. The NFL is a steady ship by comparison. Yea it is a good point on the college guys. I hadn't thought of it like that. I was thinking hard circumstances in which to establish your credibility with a bunch of grizzled NFL pros who don't need to listen to some jumped up college coach if there are not OTAs etc but you are right if the alternative is a programme losing money and not sure to pay your salary maybe it is the lesser of two evils? I definitely think there will be a retread or two. 100% and it might be a really surprising one like Jason Garrett or somebody. Spags is another one that would surprise but not be a total shock. The last two years there has been the Zack Taylor / Joe Judge "Who?" moment as well. Agree Daboll is not a lock. I think he is a lock for interviews. He is not a lock to get a job. If the Patricia info is right it definitely gives his candidacy a bit of additional credibility. I think the closest to a lock there might be Saleh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, dpberr said: Pete Carroll, Bruce Arians, Vic Fangio and Andy Reid top my "don't be surprised" list. Mostly because of their age. Carroll will be 70, Arians will be 69 with health issues, and Fangio will be 69 and looks completely miserable. Andy Reid, if he wins another SB, that might be enough for him and KC has the heir apparent in Bieniemy. My dark horse is Matt Nagy. I think Chicago might do some deep cleaning. It's not working there. Fangio may look older, but the truth is he just turned 62 wrote the start of the season.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea it is a good point on the college guys. I hadn't thought of it like that. I was thinking hard circumstances in which to establish your credibility with a bunch of grizzled NFL pros who don't need to listen to some jumped up college coach if there are not OTAs etc but you are right if the alternative is a programme losing money and not sure to pay your salary maybe it is the lesser of two evils? I definitely think there will be a retread or two. 100% and it might be a really surprising one like Jason Garrett or somebody. Spags is another one that would surprise but not be a total shock. The last two years there has been the Zack Taylor / Joe Judge "Who?" moment as well. Agree Daboll is not a lock. I think he is a lock for interviews. He is not a lock to get a job. If the Patricia info is right it definitely gives his candidacy a bit of additional credibility. I think the closest to a lock there might be Saleh. Dallas should definitely fire McCarthy.......that hire was inexplicable, IMO............then they should hire Kris Richard as HC and let him bring Rod Marinelli back as DC............it would be an upgrade but at the same time not a total shakeup or a bunch of guys brought in that have to learn the organization. That would be a different example of the kind of off script you are talking about. Richard is sitting out voluntarily until he gets AT LEAST a DC job.......but it seems to me from everything I have heard that he is a better HC candidate than a DC one. He checks some boxes that would be wise for JJ to consider checking. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 2 hours ago, bigK14094 said: I am guessing Dorsey Just don't bring back Nate Hackett....he is screwing up the Pack right now. Not that I would want Hackett as my OC, and I don't think he is calling the plays, but the Packers are #1 in PPG.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: Fangio may look older, but the truth is he just turned 62 wrote the start of the season.... You're right. I guess when I see him in the highlights, he looks older, and I see an old guy who's not enjoying what he's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 2, 2020 Author Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: Dallas should definitely fire McCarthy.......that hire was inexplicable, IMO............then they should hire Kris Richard as HC and let him bring Rod Marinelli back as DC............it would be an upgrade but at the same time not a total shakeup or a bunch of guys brought in that have to learn the organization. That would be a different example of the kind of off script you are talking about. Richard is sitting out voluntarily until he gets AT LEAST a DC job.......but it seems to me from everything I have heard that he is a better HC candidate than a DC one. He checks some boxes that would be wise for JJ to consider checking. Agree completely on that. I really like Richard as a potential HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 11 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Daboll and Patricia would make the fattest HC and Coordinator combo in the history of the NFL. They need to hire Freddie Kitchens as OC and they will cause a gravitational pull. More than the Ryan's?? Not a chance!! 7 hours ago, DJB said: You sure? Thanks, I needed that image for my post!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Daboll and Patricia would make the fattest HC and Coordinator combo in the history of the NFL. They need to hire Freddie Kitchens as OC and they will cause a gravitational pull. I don't know. Personally I think Rob Ryan and Twiggy would still make the fattest combo! Edited December 3, 2020 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 10 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: We’ve gotten this far and no mention of Vic Fangio? Accomplishments: - perhaps the worst in-game decision maker in the NFL. - somehow allowed all 4 (count ‘em ... 4!) QBs into the same room without masks, resulting in 13 yards passing with 2 INTs. This is after he was fined 100K for not wearing a mask on the sidelines. It is common for loudmouth fans to say things like “I could have done better” when of course they never could. But last Sunday I am 100% confident that I could have done better. I would have taken the shotgun snap, stepped 1 yard forward, and immediately fallen down before risking getting touched by a 300 lb defensive lineman. And that would have been better than what that poor practice squad WR kid did on Sunday. Vic is toast. I see the old in-season firing happening before the Bills game in Denver. Too bad. Fangio is 100% safe. This needs more context than just their record. Denver has been devestated by injuries accross the roster. Over half their cap is on IR. Fangio has been able to cobble together scrappy defenses with JAGS and the players play hard for him. Also....Denver has no owner right now. The are controlled by a trust while the Bowlen children figure out who, if any, can be in charge...it's a mess. Elway has changed coaching staffs too much already and the trust won't be willing to spend more money they don't have for him to do it again this offseason. When Fangio was hired, the original plan was to have him provide stability compared to Vance Joseph, and get a VET QB to run the O at a competent level, field a stout D and win by running the football, play action passing and winning the TO batlle. Flacco is who they got, he sucked....they turned to Drew Lock, who was never the plan..and that hasn't worked. They'll sign a VET QB in the offseason and get back on track...Fangio keeps his job since they aren't going to be drafting a new QB. He's not even on the hot seat. 8 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: I've read people in the NFL are not as high on Bienemy as the media is. I wouldnt be shocked if he didnt get a job I believe this is true. I'd say that it is important to see if John Dorsey gets a GM job this cycle....he'd almost be a package deal with Beienemy. Dorsey would want a HC he can work with and be ABOVE in the hierarchy. EB fits that bill and they'd both be on the same page in philosophy and players etc. I would not be surprised at all if that pairing ends up in Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Good not having to worry about The Bills needing one. If Daboll goes good for him, I think finding a Great replacement OC willing to work with josh shouldn’t be hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 6 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: I believe this is true. I'd say that it is important to see if John Dorsey gets a GM job this cycle....he'd almost be a package deal with Beienemy. Dorsey would want a HC he can work with and be ABOVE in the hierarchy. EB fits that bill and they'd both be on the same page in philosophy and players etc. I would not be surprised at all if that pairing ends up in Houston. I think there is almost zero chance John Dorsey gets another NFL GM job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I think there is almost zero chance John Dorsey gets another NFL GM job. Thats what I think. In Cleveland he he drafted the 3rd best QB in the draft number one overall and hired FREDDIE KITCHENS as his HC He lost the power struggle with Reid in KC too and has been known to be difficult to work with. Hes a good scout and has an eye for talent, but I wouldnt hire him as GM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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