colin Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 the suggestion above about blending the impact over a few years, be it explicitly or with some kind of carve out allowances, makes a lot of sense. the three players above, along w brown and murphy might solve our entire issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 2 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: How? Where is the $ going to come from? The finances of the NFL are not bullet /recession/covid proof. This mentality that the salary cap can increase every year inexorably has been, imo, horribly flawed. It took this year for it to be realized. It comes from future years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, costrovs said: I wouldn't be surprised if McBeane tries to trade Brown in the off season to help with the cap. The way Davis has been playing, and with Brown being injured, it makes sense. Brown will have a 1.6M dead cap hit, and a savings of 8.15M. Good idea other than we score more points and are much more dangerous with Brown. Like Davis. Has to be way better options to move out then Brown, yikes!!! Edited December 1, 2020 by QLBillsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, mattynh said: It comes from future years. AH yes, the future, it will be there for sure. Aint no guarantees in that. Besides they have already done that this year, cant keep doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Just now, RoyBatty is alive said: AH yes, the future, it will be there for sure. Aint no guarantees in that. Besides they have already done that this year, cant keep doing it. The owners and nflpa will decide what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, mattynh said: The owners and nflpa will decide what happens. I thought we were going to decide right here in this thread? Edited December 1, 2020 by RoyBatty is alive 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Just now, RoyBatty is alive said: Really? I thought we were going to decide right here in this thread? yes really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Buffalo is fine. There is cap space there to keep this group together. You can release players, or extend others and push base salary out as bonuses to be spread over years. If the NFL doesn't want to adjust the cap - you adjust the contracts towards years with higher caps. The saints have done this for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 When is the current set of TV deals going to end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said: You endanger the entire system when you start advocating to borrow money when revenue starts declining. One thing the NFL has largely done is struck parity, uber-rich owners can't buy a team like they can do in baseball. Not all owners financial situations are the same, you start tacking on debt and if revenue doesnt accelerate, some owners are going to get in financial trouble. There is no guarantee the cap will go up in the future, especially with the plight of the sports media with declining viewership and advancing technology. Just look at the state of the mighty ESPN. I don’t disagree with borrowing can put you in danger fiscally. Espn has been on decline for years. The NFL has continued to grow profits despite declining rating (which are hard to target because of different mediums to watch). The Packers had a profit of 70 million last year 2019 and they are the smallest market team https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/green-bay-packers-annual-nfl-revenue-2019-20 If the league values trends then 2020 was a blip on the radar and profits can be expected to continue to climb. If that’s the case borrowing money wouldn’t hurt a thing Edited December 1, 2020 by wvbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, TroutDog said: The sums of money for those numbers is minuscule in the big scheme of things. I don’t see how the cap does not drop. It won’t add up, financially speaking. They could borrow from future year increases to keep things flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 People who want to borrow from the future to pay for today --- Can I have just one peak at your personal finances? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, boater said: People who want to borrow from the future to pay for today --- Can I have just one peak at your personal finances? must be a fan of Wimpy and Popeye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Nester said: Wow @ philly and Atlanta. gonna be pain for years.... at least the saints win games.. Yep, bad QB contracts with Wentz and Ryan make it impossible to release them as well because of the dead cap associated with them. This year is it for NO. All their chips are in to win the SB. The run is over after that. They will basically have to blow it up to make the $$$ work. The Rams, Steelers, Packers, Texans, and even the Chiefs will have some tough decisions to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 5 hours ago, aristocrat said: i'm sure they will come to an agreement that doesn't lower it too much 4 hours ago, matter2003 said: They will likely do something that taps into future year salary cap increase projections to balance it out I am betting....maybe leave it flat for a period of time until the revenue increases past the point of the losses and then let it start going up again... The cap was designed to make it fair for all teams. How is it fair when some teams are able to have fans at the stadium and others are not? How it fair when some stadiums are at 25% capacity and others are at 10% or less? While much of this goes towards the cap, teams do get to keep club seats and booth revenue as well as concessions, etc. I don't think the teams will allow the cap to have a huge dropoff due to circumstances far beyond anyone's control. Under normal circumstances you would be right. But these are far from normal circumstances. This is already done and agreed to prior to this year starting. The salary cap was set with a minimum of 175 million to prevent a huge drop, but the expectation is once done and calculated- the future salary cap over the next 3 years will have to absorb another 20+ million in lost revenue for 2020. The only advantage is the upcoming TV contract that will cause a healthy increase in the cap. It is just going to take awhile to totally sort out after this years fiasco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Rochesterfan said: This is already done and agreed to prior to this year starting. The salary cap was set with a minimum of 175 million to prevent a huge drop, but the expectation is once done and calculated- the future salary cap over the next 3 years will have to absorb another 20+ million in lost revenue for 2020. The only advantage is the upcoming TV contract that will cause a healthy increase in the cap. It is just going to take awhile to totally sort out after this years fiasco. I just can't see ot dropping that much...unless they get players to accept 90% of their salaries or something for next year to avoid a huge number of cap casualties and low contracts in FA. The players may be smarter to accept 90% of their salaries versus have a huge number of players get cut and then have no money to sign them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Not sure, but I think I've read that the proposed $175 million dollar cap is actually already based on spreading the loss over a few years. Greg Tompsett from Cover 1 just had a tweet about this a few days ago. Buffalo Rumblings also had something similar below. Buffalo Rumblings Cap Article I don't expect the cap to be any higher than $175 in 2021, as such the Bills will have to do a lot of cap gymnastics on contracts for Jerry Hughes, John Brown, Micah Hyde, Vernon Butler, and Quinton Jefferson to have any hopes of re-signing Milano or Daryl Williams. Best case is they add a second year to those players Hughes, Brown, and Hyde move a lot of the money to roster bonus, and spread the impact of the contracts over two years rather than one. Good news is our GM is cap smart so I know they'll find a way to get under the cap. Just dont expect large roster turnover, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, matter2003 said: I just can't see ot dropping that much...unless they get players to accept 90% of their salaries or something for next year to avoid a huge number of cap casualties and low contracts in FA. The players may be smarter to accept 90% of their salaries versus have a huge number of players get cut and then have no money to sign them. I am not sure what to say. The negotiations for that are done. The players are not accepting less. The owners knew it was going to be bad. They expected the cap to drop into the 150 million range and that was with stadiums opening more later in the year. They haven’t and others have closed more. The NFL and NFLPA agreed to set a minimum at 175 million and any additional loss below that was going to be spread out over the next 3 years. The 175 million gave GMs something to plan for in giving out contracts and structure. It is part of the reason teams are looking to roll money and it is why a team like the Jets think they might turn it around as they will have a ton of space to pick up guys that are cut around the league. Edited December 1, 2020 by Rochesterfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaggersEOD Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 2 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: You endanger the entire system when you start advocating to borrow money when revenue starts declining. One thing the NFL has largely done is struck parity, uber-rich owners can't buy a team like they can do in baseball. Not all owners financial situations are the same, you start tacking on debt and if revenue doesnt accelerate, some owners are going to get in financial trouble. There is no guarantee the cap will go up in the future, especially with the plight of the sports media with declining viewership and advancing technology. Just look at the state of the mighty ESPN. I think ESPN's (and to be honest a lot of sports media's) demise has more to do with conflating sports/politics than a decrease in interest in professional sports. That said, I 100% agree on the financial risks associated with borrowing from future earnings. It would be a foolish decision which could literally put the entire league at risk. At the end of the day, the only people who will have to get used to the new financial situation will be the players. Salaries will have to go down and I'm sure this will lead to a lot of unhappy superstars. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 46 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: I am not sure what to say. The negotiations for that are done. The players are not accepting less. The owners knew it was going to be bad. They expected the cap to drop into the 150 million range and that was with stadiums opening more later in the year. They haven’t and others have closed more. The NFL and NFLPA agreed to set a minimum at 175 million and any additional loss below that was going to be spread out over the next 3 years. The 175 million gave GMs something to plan for in giving out contracts and structure. It is part of the reason teams are looking to roll money and it is why a team like the Jets think they might turn it around as they will have a ton of space to pick up guys that are cut around the league. I am shocked they didn't ask for concessions from players...in the long run they are the ones getting screwed in all of this...the stars will get paid its the guys on mid term contracts and vet minimum contracts that will end up bearing the brunt of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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