ClemsonBills Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just a horrible play call. Defenders on the Jets even called out Williams for it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, ClemsonBills said: Just a horrible play call. Defenders on the Jets even called out Williams for it. Not just that - what DB bites on a 20 yd cut double move with 5 seconds left in the game when they have no timeouts? You KNOW he's going to the endzone, in what world would you bite on that move? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedingreennc Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, ctk232 said: Not just that - what DB bites on a 20 yd cut double move with 5 seconds left in the game when they have no timeouts? You KNOW he's going to the endzone, in what world would you bite on that move? A rookie one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, ClemsonBills said: Just a horrible play call. Defenders on the Jets even called out Williams for it. Someone on one of the broadcasts basically mentioned that down the stretch even on the previous drive that the Jets were basically playing the same defense. Essentially giving the Raiders opportunity after opportunity to make the right play call and pass that could pull out the win. Of course the players will always play hard, but I wouldn't put it past someone like Greg to basically intentionally put his secondary in bad situations to try to ensure a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 It is an interesting question can a team full of vaguely NFL players and coaches really play that bad and it not be on purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Someone on one of the broadcasts basically mentioned that down the stretch even on the previous drive that the Jets were basically playing the same defense. Essentially giving the Raiders opportunity after opportunity to make the right play call and pass that could pull out the win. Of course the players will always play hard, but I wouldn't put it past someone like Greg to basically intentionally put his secondary in bad situations to try to ensure a loss. Why would he want to lose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ClemsonBills said: Just a horrible play call. Defenders on the Jets even called out Williams for it. Yeah, lets leave the fastest guy on the Raiders one on one with some nobody CB....if that's not "trying to lose", I don't know what is. Edited December 7, 2020 by Special K 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Why would he want to lose? It's certainly very possible that management and ownership have made it very clear that at 0-11 they must land the first pick. In what ways they have made that clear to Greg and/or Gase who knows. You can't just go out there and completely lay an egg. Players won't do that. He's still calling plays. But it didn't seem like he was putting his players in good spots on the final TD possession or the one before it. He certainly doesn't have much to gain by winning either. Edited December 7, 2020 by Sammy Watkins' Rib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: It's certainly very possible that management and ownership have made it very clear that at 0-11 they must land the first pick. In what ways they have made that clear to Greg and/or Gase who knows. You can't just go out their and completely lay an egg. Players won't do that. He's still calling plays. But it didn't seem like he was putting his players in good spots on the final TD possession or the one before it. He certainly doesn't have much to gain by winning either. Trying to win is his job. He has zero incentive to lose for a top pick as neither he nor Gase will be there next season. The Jets are really just that bad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Trying to win is his job. He has zero incentive to lose for a top pick as neither he nor Gase will be there next season. The Jets are really just that bad. But in the grand scheme of things is it a resume builder to have 1-15 on your resume instead of 0-16? Greg has a LONG resume. Winning or losing his 12th game in a 0-11 season wasn't going to change his resume and increase or decrease his chance for a coordinating or assistant gig next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 The CB play was horrendous, you give him that move 20 yards down field and play the deep ball - chalk that up to a bad player, the Jets have lots of them. Worse, where was the deep safety help? How can you not have safeties deep on that down and distance? Greggo sends 7 pass rushers right from the snap and then an 8th on top of that. Greggo with another bad call? He is a complete bum. A total moron that showed no respect as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: But in the grand scheme of things is it a resume builder to have 1-15 on your resume instead of 0-16? Greg has a LONG resume. Winning or losing his 12th game in a 0-11 season wasn't going to change his resume and increase or decrease his chance for a coordinating or assistant gig next season. It won’t, that’s true. But it’s a stretch for me that they would have stood up on 4th and goal the drive before just to lay down at the most obvious moment. I also don’t see Jets brass bribing the staff to throw games. Too conspiratorial. In all likelihood Douglas realized the best bet for the #1 overall was keeping everything intact to the end of the season. Jets are just that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Why would Gregg Williams intentionally tank? He's not going to be there next season even if they keep Gase for some reason. At most, he may have have figured, "***** it, and called such an aggressive play" However, it shows that a heavy blitz on a hail mary is probably not the right call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Anyone else worried the jets draft lawrence and he turns out to be great, then the patriots get darnold or Wentz and they succeed under good coaching? I know slim chances but these could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said: Why would Gregg Williams intentionally tank? He's not going to be there next season even if they keep Gase for some reason. At most, he may have have figured, "***** it, and called such an aggressive play" However, it shows that a heavy blitz on a hail mary is probably not the right call. That was not a Hail Mary. It was a deep ball to you your best receiver who was inexplicably left in single coverage against a marginal CB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said: However, it shows that a heavy blitz on a hail mary is probably not the right call. Except for the Bills. LOL. Anything but 3-5 guys in the end zone waiting for the receiver and ball. 3 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: . At most, he may have have figured, "***** it, and called such an aggressive play" This is probably true and as close of an answer as to "did the Jets intentionally throw the game"? No. But they certainly were far more aggressive and risk taking then an average 5-6 team would have been. Carr really should have connected on several passes for TD's the drive before as well. But his throws were off the mark. A couple because of the extra pressure but still he should have gotten a couple there. Greg likely doesn't make the same play calls if they are not 0-11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 I'm sure the owners thought about telling this coaching staff to tank but they figured they'd pry screw that up too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Owners I’m sure would like to tank. Shoot maybe even the coaches are fine with it since this might be the end for some of them. But the players? No way. The players are never going to buy into a tank. That corner who got burned today is playing the best he can to land a job next year and get paid. I can’t possibly believe any fringe roster kinda player is going to embrace possibly ruining their film and chance at a new deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 There hasn't been a tank this obvious since the Pens and Mario. AFC East gonna have two guys who have won national championships and Josh......Pats to be determined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 34 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: But in the grand scheme of things is it a resume builder to have 1-15 on your resume instead of 0-16? Greg has a LONG resume. Winning or losing his 12th game in a 0-11 season wasn't going to change his resume and increase or decrease his chance for a coordinating or assistant gig next season. His resume? If this continues, he will add to his "resume" by being the defensive coordinator on two 0-16 teams, and there will have only been three. Bountygate....By far the most obnoxious, blowhard individual to ever appear on "Hard Knocks," and a history of coaching cheap shot defenses that seem to delight in injuring people. Some resume. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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