A Few Thoughts About the Seahawks Game, in no particular order

[Seasons1992]

10 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

No, you really don’t. You’re horrible at this compared to Bill and Shaw. 

 

This take is as bad as the movie your avatar is from. 

[Virgil]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

The sacks aren't all on Allen. There were some jailbreaks. Do you blame Wilson for the sacks he took? 

I’m referring to the sacks Allen took when he held the ball for more than 3 seconds and knew they were rushing five or more.  His clock needed to be faster on a few of those 

[Behindenemylines]

10 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

No, you really don’t. You’re horrible at this compared to Bill and Shaw. 

Tool.  And I got nothing else for ya too

[Big Turk]

9 hours ago, Virgil said:

Criticism and disagreeing is different from being derogatory or insulting.  I’m one of the first to say when I don’t know something or concede a point.  
 

Clearly, you have a lot of animosity or this is just how you are as a person.  Either way, feel free to ignore my posts or write your own recaps since mine are trash.  It should be easy for you. 
 

Either way, I’ll just ignore you as a user and never think about you again. 

 

Not sure what this dude's problem is but I actually enjoy reading these and while I don't necessarily agree with everything all the time, I respect your opinion and realize that I am just as likely to be wrong with my takes as anyone else is since we don't know anywhere close to all the details of what is happening on any given play.

 

Hopefully you ignore this numnut and don't let it discourage you from continuing these postgame threads.

Edited November 9, 2020 by matter2003

[Bob in STL]

11 hours ago, Virgil said:

In full transparency, I didn't see a win today.  Not because I don't have faith in the Bills, but because I believe the Seahawks are arguably the best team in the NFL.  I know there defense is statistically crap, but they have Russell Wilson, who to me is the best overall quarterback in the league.  A step further, Russ is my favorite non-Bill in the league.  His story in the NFL, his ability to make 4th quarter comebacks, and they accuracy he eventually showed today is something I believe is elite.  With that being said, I hoped we could win 1 of our next 2 games to keep pace, as NFC games are good to win, but not deal breakers.  In any case, I was very happy to be wrong and Andre Roberts proved that very quickly on the kick-off.

 

1 - Allen - I've said in previous games that you can just tell from the beginning if Josh has "it" or doesn't.  Today, he absolutely had it.  Josh was straight up phenomenal in all aspects of his game.  He showed his athleticism avoiding some (but not enough) sacks, he was accurate, he showed legs when he needed to, and he ended up being the best quarterback on the field today (and you know how I feel about Wilson).  Nothing rattled Josh today and he just kept on coming.  Even with our typical 3rd quarter lull, Allen was lights out in way that validates his start of season performance.  I don't know if his hurt shoulder, bad weather, or the adjusted scheduled, but Josh was back to MVP form today and against an elite team.  The only knock on Allen today was the sacks he took right around the 35 that affected FG range.  It didn't come back to bite us, but I feel like he's had this issues a few times. 

 

2 - Klein - One game doesn't earn you overall redemption, but no one tell AJ Klein that.  Where the hell did this game come from?  Klein was all over the field today and laying the wood on guys.  In his post game, AJ said the game plan was good.  Well, if the game plan was to absolutely terrorize the offense, then copy and past for the rest of the season.  His sack, forced fumble, and recovery on Russ was borderline criminal.  That was the kind of play that makes you look for a flag because something just had to be illegal there.  In a game where Milano was a big concern to be missed, AJ handled business in coverage and rushing the passer.  He showed great speed and I honestly think his play elevated Edmunds a bit, who's also been missing in action.  Just a great game and I hope to see more of it before the official apology tour begins.

 

3 - Big Hits - I've never embedded video's on TSW, but this game made me wish I could.  There were some hits in this game that made me audibly react.  There was one kick return in particular where I don't know how the Seahawks returner got up.  Even my boy Russ took shots today that's going to require an ice bath later.  I'm going to get to the coaching and prep later, but this is a game that will be fun to watch the replay of on defense for a while to come.  Is there an angry hits version of angry runs?  If so, I know a few plays...

 

4 - Man got the rub on, sister got the rub

They're goin' around doing the rub, the rub

Ain't it crazy, ain't it crazy

Ain't it crazy one day keep on rubbin' that thing.

 

5 - QB Pressure - I'm going to bring up both teams here as they each did a great job of getting to the QB.  There were more sellout blitzes than I've seen in a long time that were feast or famine.  We had a few that left some guys wide open, but that's the price you pay.  I love the dialed up blitzes as Russel was running for his life a lot.  Russ had his life saved a few times by the blocking back, but even that wasn't enough a lot.  Both teams showed five man lines and still sent extra guys.  Hughes continued his great season with another strip sack.  Addison chased down Wilson with surprising speed.  Kudos to Frazier for mixing up who that extra guy was as I saw a variety of DB's going after Russ.  Both QB's overall handled the pressure the best they could, but I overall think the Bills offensive line held up better, regardless of what the sack total's were.  A few of those were on Josh for not getting rid of the ball fast enough. 

 

6 - DB's - Metcalf/Lockett - I've eaten my crow a few weeks back, but I'll continue with how impressive DK looks on the field.  Dude is an absolute specimen and seems to have squashed any concerns about body control.  The deep ball over Tre was just unfair.  I was actually surprised how much single deep safety we ran and dared Russ to beat us.  Other than that, most of the receivers catches were from deep cushions and the typical McD "bend but don't break."  Lockett was surprisingly not heard from at all as it seemed our DB's did a solid job keeping the receivers out of the game.  Most of Russ's passing yards game from that broken deep ball TD and TE's downfield.  I think those were acceptable losses within our game plan.  Poyer balled out again and is unquestionably our defensive MVP and it was nice to see Tre get some vindication with the 4th quarter interception.

 

7 - Officiating - Talk about a one sided officiating crew.  I don't remember the full details, but there was a 3rd and long where they call a late hit against Russ and PI.  Both calls were bogus to me.  Then, there was an illegal shift that ended with a pass to our 3 yard line that wasn't called.  This next one could go both ways, but the offensive holding seemed to be completely ignored against the Bills.  Hughes got called on a terrible personal foul that brought the Seahawks into Bills territory.  Lastly, the Davis possible touchdown pass not even getting reviewed was rough to me, however McD didn't challenge it either.  Regardless, it felt like the Ref kept the Seahawks in it on a few drives and tried to knock us back.  Either way, nothing we couldn't overcome.

 

8 - Receivers - This truly was a game for everyone.  I don't know if it was the Seahawks D or Daboll's play calling, but guys were open all over the field for Allen.  Most of Diggs catches were with huge cushions and runs after the catch.  Brown looked healthy for the first time in weeks, and it showed on the field.  Beasley was reliable when needed, but honestly wasn't needed as much.  Davis also got in the action with some nice grabs.  Daboll also called up two perfectly timed screens.  This is the type of game film that should keep upcoming opposing defensive coordinators up at night.  I honestly don't know how you can stop all these guys.  Moreso, if this is Daboll figuring out how to take advantage of the short yardage game, look out, because you know we can handle the deeper game. 

 

9 - Frazier - Some would say that giving up 30+ points can't be a good defensive effort.  I would say this was our best defensive effort of the season.  The Bills looked like a completely different team out there today.  We didn't give up a passing TD until the broken play and then in garbage time.  We gave up a few big gainers, but also created a lot of negative plays.  Our blitzes were exotic and wonderfully disguised.  This level of adaption in scheme for our 9th game gave me more hope than anything else from this game.  We showed the ability to adapt and succeed in a new identity.  We knew the Seahawks couldn't be completely shut down, so we found the wins where we could and it was enough to put us in the drivers seat the entire game.  Just a brilliant effort.

 

10 - McD - When your team comes out flat, the coach takes the fall.  When your team comes out hot, stays hot, and puts a boot on the other teams neck throughout the entire game, the goach should also get the credit.  At 7-2, McD had his team play their most complete game tonight.  Even with Milano out, and the decision to bench Phillips again, McD pulled all the right levers today.  We took down one of the best teams in the league and never looked back once we took the lead.  For those who want to attach our wins to this point, there's nothing you can say to dimish this accomplishment.  McD had them ready and I think all of us are a little more ready for the rest of this season.

 

Go Bills!

 

Nice summary. I don’t agree with your perspective all of the time every week, that would be impossible - but you are thorough in your coverage and your threads almost always lead to good discussions that are offshoots of your summary.  Thanks for taking the time.  I thought about doing this once but it would be redundant at this point.  So I’ll just be the Older Guy that chimes in here and there.  
 

Keep up the good work.  

Edited November 9, 2020 by Bob in STL

[hemma]

11 hours ago, Fixxxer said:

 

 

Did Josh audibled on that Brown quick screen pass? A shame Smoke didn't score on that play. 

 

I just read that he did audible, which to me, makes the play even better.

"“He made a great check on the all-out blitz to John Brown,” said center Jon Feliciano. “That was a huge play in the game. That’s all Josh’s preparation and the confidence of him noticing the defense, noticing they were bringing all out, and he got to the right play.”"

[corta765]

Great recap said what I would say. Every football monday you are in my top 3 columns nationally I read and that is not meant as a joke.

[DrDawkinstein]

Great recap as always, Virgil.

 

One BIG observation for me yesterday, that may be the takeaway from the entire game...

 

John Murphy has stopped doing that high-pitched voice crack when he calls "TOUCHDOWN".

 

Now he's just calling it normally instead of forcing a voice crack like a 14 year old working at McDonalds.

[fergie's ire]

Keep me ON the Christmas card list...but just wanted to add that I am not so concerned with the sacks.  First, I think one area Josh will need to work on this off season is throwing the ball away.  Early in his career he got a grounding penalty when the ball didn't make it to the line of scrimmage and then threw the ball further down field the next time and got picked off.  It seemed to get in his head and he never seems comfortable throwing the ball away.  That said, in this game he did the next best thing.  He would push forward or try and slip out the side, and COVERED UP THE BALL.  So, he didn't lose it (like Wilson) and a lot of his sacks were in the 2-5 yard loss range.  They weren't those sacks where Josh is running around playing hero ball and takes a 15 yard loss.  Very few were drive killers.  That's why Huard made the comment several times that it didn't SEEM like Josh had taken as many sacks as the sheet said.  They were sacks, but weren't terrible sacks.

[The Poojer]

Damn, lighten up...Virgil doesn't claim to be an expert, in fact he showed his bias for the seahawks by saying how Wilson is his favorite non-Bills player.  It's a frigging football game review...if you can do better, here's your forum.  If you don't like his take, don't read it, no reason to be a dick about it

 

11 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

No, you really don’t. You’re horrible at this compared to Bill and Shaw. 

[Coach Tuesday]

Good stuff.

 

Some additional things I liked - 

 

On Allen's TD run, Mongo took out 2-3 defenders with a low roll block, looked like a bowling ball knocking over pins.

 

The Darryl Johnson hit on the kick return - that's when I knew the Bills were going to win.

 

Diggs doing the rugby-style high-kicking stall/feint on two of his RACs.  He is feeling it in this offense and he's a really creative runner.

 

The TD throw to Davis started with a fake end-around to McKenzie, then Allen faked the QB run and threw while running forward.  That was an awesome play design.  Too much "eye candy" for the defense to keep track of.

 

On the Kroft TD there were multiple open options in the endzone including Knox who came open right away.

 

The LBs had their best game of the season - it helps when they don't have to worry mentally about diagnosing running plays, and when they don't have to worry physically about fighting through linemen at the second level.

[Virgil]

2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Good stuff.

 

Some additional things I liked - 

 

On Allen's TD run, Mongo took out 2-3 defenders with a low roll block, looked like a bowling ball knocking over pins.

 

The Darryl Johnson hit on the kick return - that's when I knew the Bills were going to win.

 

Diggs doing the rugby-style high-kicking stall/feint on two of his RACs.  He is feeling it in this offense and he's a really creative runner.

 

The TD throw to Davis started with a fake end-around to McKenzie, then Allen faked the QB run and threw while running forward.  That was an awesome play design.  Too much "eye candy" for the defense to keep track of.

 

On the Kroft TD there were multiple open options in the endzone including Knox who came open right away.

 

The LBs had their best game of the season - it helps when they don't have to worry mentally about diagnosing running plays, and when they don't have to worry physically about fighting through linemen at the second level.

 

I was worried that Allen was going to get crushed on that play.  The last fake stopped a blitzing defender from coming after him. 

[timekills17]

14 hours ago, Virgil said:

Well, if the game plan was to absolutely terrorize the offense, then copy and paste for the rest of the season.

 

I love it.

[Thunderstruck]

13 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

No, you really don’t. You’re horrible at this compared to Bill and Shaw. 

Who pissed in your Cheerios dude?

 

It's one man's synopsis- not a Jauron.... so don't take it so hard

[TBBills Fan]

11 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I don’t visit the board much these days, but stop by specifically for your thread.  I’ve always enjoyed reading it and especially did tonight.  As Will Ferrell said in Old School...Keep on keepin on...

 

 

Ill second that, I look forward to reading your thoughts every week.

[flmike]

19 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

No, you really don’t. You’re horrible at this compared to Bill and Shaw. 

 

Way to be a good citizen, jerk.

[machine gun kelly]

19 hours ago, Kwai San said:

Wow dude....lighten up. You think you can do better have at it.....otherwise move along and I doubt I'm the only one thinking that.....

You’re not AT ALL Kwai.  I never had a big issue with Jopoy, but this is over the top.  Differ in you’re opinion, but he’s been doing this a long time, and Virgil is usually if not always spot on on most points.  I respectfully disagree with Virgil occasionally, but Inever make it personal.  You overstepped.

 

Virgil, as always, thanks for you’re write up, as I always enjoy pay them.  Never 100% agree, but you take a lot of thoughtful time each Sunday night to do it.  I missed it this morning as it was buried in several other threads.

8 hours ago, matter2003 said:

 

Not sure what this dude's problem is but I actually enjoy reading these and while I don't necessarily agree with everything all the time, I respect your opinion and realize that I am just as likely to be wrong with my takes as anyone else is since we don't know anywhere close to all the details of what is happening on any given play.

 

Hopefully you ignore this numnut and don't let it discourage you from continuing these postgame threads.

He won’t. He has thick skin.

[JGMcD2]

19 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

No, you really don’t. You’re horrible at this compared to Bill and Shaw. 

If I had a dollar for every disrespectful troll on this board, I’d be rich. 
 

Point being, get a new schtick, you’re not the only one who can be rude and miserable. Plenty of others have it covered at this point. 

[Don Otreply]

19 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

No, you really don’t. You’re horrible at this compared to Bill and Shaw. 

Looks like the joypoy needs to be put i time out, just take your ball and go home, you’ll be happy and so will everyone else.
 

Go Bills!!!

[Fixxxer]

9 hours ago, hemma said:

 

I just read that he did audible, which to me, makes the play even better.

"“He made a great check on the all-out blitz to John Brown,” said center Jon Feliciano. “That was a huge play in the game. That’s all Josh’s preparation and the confidence of him noticing the defense, noticing they were bringing all out, and he got to the right play.”"

 

Thanks for the info. Twice in two weeks Josh called the same play against cover zero or an all out blitz, a clear sign he keeps getting better reading defenses and/or defensive tendencies and counter that with great play calls.