John from Riverside Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 23 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said: Excuses excuses. Top QBs don’t need excuses and are consistently good...Mahomes, Brady, etc. Allen isn’t there yet and who knows if he ever will e Does he need to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Does he need to be? Allen doesn’t have enough weapons right now is my conclusion. Keep stacking WR on like you did in the draft. Get a Tight End in this offense. Fix the terrible Guard play. Get another Center who can play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 (edited) On 11/7/2020 at 10:32 AM, BillsMafi$ said: Excuses excuses. Top QBs don’t need excuses and are consistently good...Mahomes, Brady, etc. Allen isn’t there yet and who knows if he ever will e That's really not true. Top QBs like the rest, like all humans really, have ups and downs. Look at Mahomes against the Raiders this year. He barely got above 50%, and that is not the Mahomes we're used to seeing. It's not that top QBs don't need excuses. It's that top QBs, top players, top performers in anything, don't use excuses. And Josh Allen hasn't. Doesn't mean we can't look at the ups and downs and speculate what's behind them. It's a good point that the weather's been bad. I really hadn't put that together. But it's true. Having said that, the weather IMO isn't the main part of the problem, though it surely had some effect. The main problem is simply that in the cycle of football when you're doing well, people will defense you differently till you prove you can hande it. They're doing that to Allen and he's still playing very well but short passes don't look as transcendently awesome as what he was able to do against the defenses he faced the first four weeks. One of Allen's problems has been consistency. Teams are going to force him to try to maintain drives through a lot of plays, and to be successful at that, he'll need consistency at a very high level. Edited November 8, 2020 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Very small miscues can completely change the tone of a player and teams season. Just look at the last two wins All and the Bills squeaked out. Jets Game Gabe Davis- lines up incorrectly negates TD pass Kroft- Stumbles over his own feet, negates TD pass Patriots Game Gabe Davis- game sealing TD pass goes through his hands. The Bills still won both of these games. Allen still played well in both of these games. But if these three plays end in TD's which is more likely than not if they were played 10 times each then the narrative on the Bills and Allen is quite a bit different over the last two games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 15 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Allen doesn’t have enough weapons right now is my conclusion. Keep stacking WR on like you did in the draft. Get a Tight End in this offense. Fix the terrible Guard play. Get another Center who can play. One thing is for sure. The last place most of this board will look to explain why the passing game isn't as good as it could be is Josh Allen. They will blame the proverbial dog that ate the homework before they'll conclude it might be Josh that's the problem. Let's hope the people who actually run the team aren't limited by the same psychological weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 (edited) Plain and simple the opposition has taken away the Bills crossing routes and Daboll hasn't adjusted. In the beginning if the year the Bills were killing defenses with those routes. Allen has been fine but Daboll needs to come up witg something else. His scheme was figured out quickly and he hasn't adjusted. Edited November 8, 2020 by Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: One thing is for sure. The last place most of this board will look to explain why the passing game isn't as good as it could be is Josh Allen. They will blame the proverbial dog that ate the homework before they'll conclude it might be Josh that's the problem. Let's hope the people who actually run the team aren't limited by the same psychological weaknesses. I think that's unfair to Allen. Can he play better? Sure, you can say that about every player on every team though. Big picture is we rarely look at any game this season and say, man our QB really didn't show up today and was part of the problem. Last year, we could legitimately make a case that Allen held us back in some games. That's really not the case this year. I don't think that's Bills fans being homers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, Beast said: Plain and simple the opposition has taken away the Bills crossing routes and Daboll hasn't adjusted. In the beginning if the year the Bills were killing defenses with those routes. Allen has been fine but Daboll needs to come up witg something else. His scheme was figured out quickly and he hasn't adjusted. That is what you pay coaches to do. You don't think every good offense with a great QB figures these things out? Yes keeping pace with weeks 1-4 was asking a lot. To drop off a cliff and being 4 weeks straight, points to the coaching & game plan. Two of the worst defenses the next two weeks. If the Bills don't throw for 350, then there is an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 24 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: One thing is for sure. The last place most of this board will look to explain why the passing game isn't as good as it could be is Josh Allen. They will blame the proverbial dog that ate the homework before they'll conclude it might be Josh that's the problem. Let's hope the people who actually run the team aren't limited by the same psychological weaknesses. Well we’ve seen in other situations around the league that the backup QB is not better. So the answer is not on this roster if it’s not Allen. And at 6-2 who is coming in the Draft to take Allen’s spot? Regardless, we know that Beane and McDermott are not moving off Allen. He’ll have his 5th year option picked up and he will be the Quarterback. The team wins too much for him not to be. So keep adding players around Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 22 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: What are we even making excuses for? We are 6-2 and Allen is probably 80% responsible for that record if not more. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Excuses gone today ..Brown and Knox back, weather fine. Running game works again. If our offense sucks it mean that Daboll and Allen had 20 plays they loved and now the rest of the league knows what those plays are and how to stop them. Time for Josh to play with confidence and not hold the ball. Time for Diggs and a brown to dominate and time for a TE that gets more than 30 yards a game. It’s also a game to go for 4th downs and not kick FGs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Josh hasnt been the same QB throwing the ball since he injured his shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Great post and accurate, though very few around here are going to see it that way. And can we all please stop blaming the Patriots game on terrible weather and wind? Sal C. was adamant that it just wasn't a bad day weather-wise out at the stadium. I wasn't there! Sal was, and he's supposed to know something about football. Who is blaming weather on the Pats game? Allen threw the ball 18 times and had a very good 8.6 ypa. The gameplan was clearly to run the football. We won the damn game. 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: One thing is for sure. The last place most of this board will look to explain why the passing game isn't as good as it could be is Josh Allen. They will blame the proverbial dog that ate the homework before they'll conclude it might be Josh that's the problem. Let's hope the people who actually run the team aren't limited by the same psychological weaknesses. Actually what is for sure is that people will look to blame one thing or another instead of realizing that it is everything as a whole. Allen makes mistakes, as does every QB in the league. The rest of the offense makes mistakes... receivers dropping balls, penalties, Daboll calls pretty ***** at times, jail break oline at times. They all add up. No one thing is to blame. Edited November 8, 2020 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Hmmm maybe it actually was the weather and the way opposing defenses were playing us 🤣🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Or his shoulder healed. Was surprised to hear the announcers say he was wearing a harness under his jersey in past games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Yup, it was the injury/harness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Ugg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 8, 2020 Author Share Posted November 8, 2020 Yup. Passing offense is dead. Ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 4 hours ago, Nextmanup said: One thing is for sure. The last place most of this board will look to explain why the passing game isn't as good as it could be is Josh Allen. They will blame the proverbial dog that ate the homework before they'll conclude it might be Josh that's the problem. Let's hope the people who actually run the team aren't limited by the same psychological weaknesses. This post aged well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, warrior9 said: This post aged well. Indeed 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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