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Just now, TBBills said:

What will be your excuse when repubtards lose with voter IDs... Where is the evidence? Why would she resign her seat? You do know it isn't the 20th yet. Pence is gonna piss you off tomorrow.

 

Dude, my life is not going to change tomorrow or in the next 4 years. If the Republicans were to  lose with voter ID, it obviously means their candidates or platform was not favored by voters. But election integrity is the core of democracy and only legitimate votes should count. Like I said earlier and when I lived in WNY, I was a registered Democrat that leaned more independent. Voted for Carter / Reagan twice / Bush Sr / Clinton twice / Bush Jr twice / Obama / Romney / Trump twice. If the Republicans had drifted more to the right, I may have voted differently. Trump was a better option to me than Biden. 

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31 minutes ago, Looper said:

I certainly wonder how loud the Democrats would be squealing now about election fraud has Trump won MI/WI/GA/PA and a few others. 

About as much as 2016 when Trump won those states by similar margins to Hillary.  The only real difference is Hillary didn't fight the results with frivolous lawsuits like Trump is.

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6 minutes ago, Looper said:

 

How do you know they weren't building a bomb ? Obama gave them $150 billion. Do you think they didn't want to destroy Israel pre-Trump ?

 

And I'm all for counting legal votes - let's all get a voter ID so we all vote once and in the state we're registered. If Biden won the election fair and square, why wouldn't he welcome all vote audits, both machine and paper and say so publicly. If if Biden/Harris are so sure about his win, why hasn't Kamala Harris resigned her Senate seat ? 

 

Trump was a Democrat when the party was more centric and not drifting way to the left as it is now. The Democratic platform has changed dramatically in the last 25 years.

You mean the guy who invited Bill and Hillary to his (third) wedding?  Just 10 years before he launched his campaign against her mother?


 

 

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10 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

A little reality check. I am greatly disturbed by the latest Trump assault on the electoral process, and how our very system of government has been shown to depend on the integrity of just a few men and women. This is an awful precedent. Once the can of worms has been opened it can't be closed again. We will see this again. 2024, 2028 ... oh, it will happen again.

 

But for tomorrow: 

- I highly doubt Pence will go full Trump. I expect him to do his constitutional duty.

- If he is even more cowardly and sycophantic than I think, and if he tries to pull that "send the certificates back to the states for clarification" ruse, I would expect the Biden campaign and/or at least some of the states to go directly to the Supreme Court. And I would expect the Supreme Court to clarify Pence's duty, and to disallow any maneuver to circumvent the law. They've already signaled this in their quick dismissal of the Texas lawsuit. And unless Trump is willing to ignore a Supreme Court ruling, that will be the end of it.

 

SCOTUS dismissed the Texas suit due to lack of standing in the contested states - not due to the substance of the suit. 

 

I don't know what SCOTUS would do if Biden chose to sue, but I'm sure it will work itself out. 

 

Regardless, election integrity is at question here and IMO, the only way to ensure it is voter ID. 

 

5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

About as much as 2016 when Trump won those states by similar margins to Hillary.  The only real difference is Hillary didn't fight the results with frivolous lawsuits like Trump is.

 

And there were no clandestine vote dumps in the middle of the night in 2016 IIRC ... 

 

4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

You mean the guy who invited Bill and Hillary to his (third) wedding?  Just 10 years before he launched his campaign against her mother?

 

 

 

 

What does his wedding have to do with his political aspirations ? Do you think he would have beaten Hillary in the Dem primary ? 

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2 minutes ago, Looper said:

And there were no clandestine vote dumps in the middle of the night in 2016 IIRC ... 

How do you know?  There could've been.  How did WTC 7 collapse when FEMA reported little damage to the building if it wasn't a controlled demolition?

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2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

How do you know?  There could've been.  How did WTC 7 collapse when FEMA reported little damage to the building if it wasn't a controlled demolition?

 

No "reported" data dumps 

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9 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

About as much as 2016 when Trump won those states by similar margins to Hillary.  The only real difference is Hillary didn't fight the results with frivolous lawsuits like Trump is.

 

 

Because she'd lose votes.  

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10 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

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Clay Travis was spot on.  

 

Can America just go back to a time and place where this and sports was all we cared about?  

 

Everything is political.  Liberals have broken everything.  Nothing is funny.  Nothing can be fun.  The "comedians" and even the sports analysts are just activists pretending to be what they suck at doing anyway.  

 

Its a politically correct (fascism with a happy face) s**t hole where punk kids are saving texts of 15 year olds and using them to try and have colleges pull their scholarships because of them.  

 

Any sex scene in a movie will begin with "is this ok?"  And you'll see no sex.

 

You need to double check what you say or post bc you'll be "cancelled."  

 

We're a simple people, Americans.  But just me saying "Clay Travis" probably triggered a bunch of people that read that. "Oh I hate that guy!  He thinks lockdowns are bad!"  

 

 

 

They keep telling me I want to take us back to 1955.  I'll gladly settle for 1995. 

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27 minutes ago, Looper said:

 

Dude, my life is not going to change tomorrow or in the next 4 years. If the Republicans were to  lose with voter ID, it obviously means their candidates or platform was not favored by voters. But election integrity is the core of democracy and only legitimate votes should count. Like I said earlier and when I lived in WNY, I was a registered Democrat that leaned more independent. Voted for Carter / Reagan twice / Bush Sr / Clinton twice / Bush Jr twice / Obama / Romney / Trump twice. If the Republicans had drifted more to the right, I may have voted differently. Trump was a better option to me than Biden. 

Ok I agree with most of what you say and can see the fine line between Trump and Biden. All politicians are garbage in one way or another.

I just want a president who is not afraid to call out either side for the things they try to get away with. 

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4 hours ago, Looper said:

 

No, actually you lost - you elected a lifetime grifter that will lock you down even more than your are you and sell out to foreign countries for a $. Good luck with big government when they can't even pass a Covid bill to help citizens. 

 

Interesting that you feel Biden is the life-long grifter. How much of Trump's legal and financial history are you aware of?

 

He is the epitome of serial carnival-barking grifter....oh wait, you aren't one of those that watched "the Apprentice" and thought that was reality?

 

It's a pity how easily poorly informed and deluded the average US citizen is.

 

Just how many bankrupsies, broken commitments, and lawsuits you think Trump and his over 500 LLCs shell companies have been a part of?

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, WideNine said:

 

Interesting that you feel Biden is the life-long grifter. How much of Trump's legal and financial history are you aware of?

 

He is the epitome of serial carnivsl barking grifter....oh wait, you aren't one of those that watched "the Apprentice" and thought that was reality?

 

It's a pity how easily poorly informed and deluded the average US citizen is.

 

Just how many bankrupsies, broken commitments, and lawsuits you think Trump and his over 500 LLCs shell companies have been a part of?

 

 

 

 

Joe Biden grew up poor in Scranton - how does a guy on a congressional salary afford all of the homes he has ? Trump grew up rich - I get it ... you don't like his personality and I don't either most times. But it's about getting the job done and working tirelessly for us - not foreign governments. If you believe any of what was found on Hunter Biden's laptop, Joe received millions via Hunter for foreign business dealings. For Joe to claim "look at my tax returns" if you don't believe me, you'd have to be an idiot to declare illegal $ on your tax return. How many companies has Trump opened and how many went bankrupt ? Are you aware there are different reasons for filing bankruptcy ? Doesn't necessarily mean you have no money - I think Trump will be OK once leaving office. 

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3 minutes ago, Looper said:

 

Joe Biden grew up poor in Scranton - how does a guy on a congressional salary afford all of the homes he has ? Trump grew up rich - I get it ... you don't like his personality and I don't either most times. But it's about getting the job done and working tirelessly for us - not foreign governments. If you believe any of what was found on Hunter Biden's laptop, Joe received millions via Hunter for foreign business dealings. For Joe to claim "look at my tax returns" if you don't believe me, you'd have to be an idiot to declare illegal $ on your tax return. How many companies has Trump opened and how many went bankrupt ? Are you aware there are different reasons for filing bankruptcy ? Doesn't necessarily mean you have no money - I think Trump will be OK once leaving office. 

 

Sure daddy Trump gave him seed money, but he lost it over and over hence his well-earned reputation for being serially bankrupt and constantly borrowing money.

 

What Trump has mastered is the art of laundering money through his casinos and his real estate holdings.

 

Don't be shocked when the lawsuits start rolling in after he is no longer able to hide behind the office of the Presidency and the legal shield that has afforded him.

 

Trump works tirelessly for Trump and his inner circle of family and friends - he does not have the capacity for the kind of empathic values you ascribe to him.

 

If he did, he would stop taking the lion's share of the money the duped MAGA folks keep shelling out for lawsuits doomed to fail so he can pump them into his super pac LLCs and fork millions over to his daughter in the form of dubious consulting fees.

 

But keep feeding at the trough of Trump lies and getting scammed. He just wants power and more of your money.

 

I am not a huge Biden fan, but I would have voted for anything not Donald Trump.

 

 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

Sure daddy Trump gave him seed money, but he lost it over and over hence his well-earned reputation for being serially bankrupt and constantly borrowing money.

 

What Trump has mastered is the art of laundering money through his casinos and his real estate holdings.

 

Don't be shocked when the lawsuits start rolling in after he is no longer able to hide behind the office of the Presidency and the legal shield that has afforded him.

 

Trump works tirelessly for Trump and his inner circle of family and friends - he does not have the capacity for the kind of empathic values you ascribe to him.

 

If he did, he would stop taking the lion's share of the money the duped MAGA folks keep shelling out for lawsuits doomed to fail so he can pump them into his super pac LLCs and fork millions over to his daughter in the form of dubious consulting fees.

 

But keep feeding at the trough of Trump lies and getting scammed. He just wants power and more of your money.

 

I am not a huge Biden fan, but I would have voted for anything not Donald Trump.

 

 

 

 

 

Funny, I don't see the Biden wealth mentioned in your reply. 

 

Do you have proof Trump is laundering money through his casinos and real estate holdings ? 

 

If so, I would assume he's been doing that for years long before he became POTUS. Why was he not charged ? 

 

You say Trump works tirelessly for his family - guess we could attribute that quote to Biden as well.  Do you work tirelessly for your family ? I certainly hope so. 

 

Ivanka Trump is intelligent, well-spoken, confident and I have no issue with her collecting consulting fees for her work. She has done a world of good for women's rights throughout the world during the last 4 years. 

 

Not sure why you think Trump wants my money - he is the only president to donate his entire salary over the entire 4 years to a worthy charity. He has lowered my taxes. I'm more concerned about Biden raising my taxes to feed big government for various reasons. Big government has proven time and time again they are inept. 

 

And the real lies come from the bi-partisan swamp that is our Congress. Many of them are afraid if what might be exposed if Trump stays in power. How many congressmen/women do you believe have not received some form of kickback from lobbyists or special interest groups for promoting policy decisions ? 

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37 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

If somehow this happens we are into full banana republic territory. I don't think most Americans realize how dangerous this is, that the President is openly entertaining these takeover notions.

 

I've been thinking for a while in all this talk about Trump making himself a dictator or not leaving leaves out a very important part of the constitution and why it was set up the way it was.  Founders very concerned about a strong man getting in office and becoming the king.  They had experience with Kings and didn't want one.  So they set up checks and balances which have worked well. Trump wants to invalidate votes etc but the courts over ruled him many times.  He wants to stay in, the military and secret service will not stand for it.  The President does have that much power.  

 

So I'm not worried about it.  Trump can want to do whatever he wants, checks and balances say otherwise.

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1 hour ago, Looper said:

 

Dude, my life is not going to change tomorrow or in the next 4 years. If the Republicans were to  lose with voter ID, it obviously means their candidates or platform was not favored by voters. But election integrity is the core of democracy and only legitimate votes should count. Like I said earlier and when I lived in WNY, I was a registered Democrat that leaned more independent. Voted for Carter / Reagan twice / Bush Sr / Clinton twice / Bush Jr twice / Obama / Romney / Trump twice. If the Republicans had drifted more to the right, I may have voted differently. Trump was a better option to me than Biden. 

I tell people who are very political this all the time.  No matter who wins I'm still going to make my own coffee tomorrow morning and pry until I die no matter what color hat the president wears.  Election integrity is the core of democracy.  I agree.  Instead of focusing on vote counting problems that could swing hundreds of votes in states (usually what they find in audits or recounts), Trump is deciding to gaslight conspiracy theories of voter fraud that are easily debunked.  His supporters are buying it because he's an excellent salesman.  That's my problem with all of this nonsense.

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35 minutes ago, Looper said:

 

Funny, I don't see the Biden wealth mentioned in your reply. 

 

Do you have proof Trump is laundering money through his casinos and real estate holdings ? 

 

If so, I would assume he's been doing that for years long before he became POTUS. Why was he not charged ? 

 

You say Trump works tirelessly for his family - guess we could attribute that quote to Biden as well.  Do you work tirelessly for your family ? I certainly hope so. 

 

Ivanka Trump is intelligent, well-spoken, confident and I have no issue with her collecting consulting fees for her work. She has done a world of good for women's rights throughout the world during the last 4 years. 

 

Not sure why you think Trump wants my money - he is the only president to donate his entire salary over the entire 4 years to a worthy charity. He has lowered my taxes. I'm more concerned about Biden raising my taxes to feed big government for various reasons. Big government has proven time and time again they are inept. 

 

And the real lies come from the bi-partisan swamp that is our Congress. Many of them are afraid if what might be exposed if Trump stays in power. How many congressmen/women do you believe have not received some form of kickback from lobbyists or special interest groups for promoting policy decisions ? 

 

 

He was not charged mainly because he could hide the activity for years as he could take advantage of laws that shielded LLCs from exposing ownership and financial transactions from public and legal scrutiny. There are particular states that have incredibly lax rules regarding this type of corporate entity that make them ideal shelters for a broad swath of illegal activities. Connecticut happens to be one of them.

 

Want to take a guess where most all of Trump's LLC's have been created - anyone? Yep, that's right. The vast majority are listed in Connecticut.

 

Interesting enough, the recent military defense bill that Trump fought against tooth and nail and vetoed too finally pushed through with a Congressional override. What most folks may not know is that one of the key provisions in that bill was that it included a long-fought for provision to expose LLC ownership and transactions to federal oversight and transparency across the US - no state-specific shelter rules. No more hiding, and all of this is coming together as Trump is exiting his legal safe harbor of the Office of the Presidency - food for thought.

 

My guess is that there are very good reasons for Trump's manic efforts at self-preservation. He is more than willing to try to overturn a fair and well-run democratic election that has stood the test of every baseless legal challenge and requested audit thrown at it, and he is pooping himself at the prospect of having to leave the legal bastion of the presidential office.

 

Time will tell, but I have been pretty good connecting the dots over Trump's term. We will see what happens when he is forced out of office.

 

 

RE: LLC's and the bill Congress finally pushed through:

 

https://www.rollcall.com/2019/04/29/bill-cracking-down-on-llcs-used-for-tax-evasion-and-money-laundering-faces-obstacles/

 

https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/lawmaker-news/528117-anonymous-shell-companies-fund-crime-and-terror-its-time-to

 

 

 

 

 

 

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And the lawyer on that "innocent" call with Trump where he was trying to pressure Georgia into "finding" more votes for him, well, her law firm felt so comfortable with that call that they had her resign.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/05/politics/cleta-mitchell-resigns-trump-georgia/index.html

 

Geez... queue the never-ending circus music that is part and parcel of this President's dubious tenure in office.

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12 minutes ago, WideNine said:

And the lawyer on that "innocent" call with Trump where he was trying to pressure Georgia into "finding" more votes for him, well, her law firm felt so comfortable with that call that they had her resign.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/05/politics/cleta-mitchell-resigns-trump-georgia/index.html

 

Geez... queue the never-ending circus music that is part and parcel of this President's dubious tenure in office.

Her law firm, Foley & Lardner, is a big all-purpose law firm that no doubt has a bunch of big corporate clients. She was freelancing here, helping the Trump campaign with its ill-advised hectoring of the GA Sec of State. I imagine those big corporate clients called the managing partner right away, before the "boycott companies that do business with Foley & Lardner" campaigns had a chance to begin.

When I was in law school I accepted a summer job - the kind that is sort of a tryout for a real job - with a large-ish law firm that also had a lobbying practice. Unbeknownst to me at the time, one of their lobbyists had decided it was a good idea to take on the government of El Salvador as a client. This was in the time of the civil wars there, the murdering of nuns, all kinds of human rights abuses. The law firm's clients couldn't run away from them fast enough. Business dried up and so did any hope of a job for me.... the firm was out of business within a year.

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