America was friendly with Hitler

[formerlyofCtown]

4 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Big business supported Hitler. He ran a nationalist movement, smashed the unions and crushed the rights of all people. You are just spewing right wing propaganda by making Hitler seem like a leftists. He did nothing socialist, he was a racist, Social Darwinist and militarist. Your ignorant claims of socialism in the Nazis is laughable. It’s a silly as those saying today’s Democrats are tied to the KKK because Jefferson Davis was a Democrat. 

I'm an anarchist there guy.  I don't listen to media I don't like R or D.  I could give 2 ***** less about who dead men supported.  Lol he did what all socialist regimes do.  Like I said, do some research.  The title of my paper was "The socialist body count".  Stalin, Hitler, Mao and even a small nation's leader like Castro. 

 

Socialism isn't the actual problem.  Humanity is.  Power corrupts people, people don't corrupt power.

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, formerlyofCtown said:

I'm an anarchist there guy.  I don't listen to media I don't like R or D.  I could give 2 ***** less about who dead men supported.  Lol he did what all socialist regimes do.  Like I said, do some research.  The title of my paper was "The socialist body count".  Stalin, Hitler, Mao and even a small nation's leader like Castro. 

 

Socialism isn't the actual problem.  Humanity is.  Power corrupts people, people don't corrupt power.

Good, you should be happy with the New Democratic majority in this country. Won by the ballot, for the people. 

 

Nothing like authortarian regimes. 

[formerlyofCtown]

13 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Good, you should be happy with the New Democratic majority in this country. Won by the ballot, for the people. 

 

Nothing like authortarian regimes. 

You know what all four of those individuals I just named have in common?

 

They were all elected and everything they did was legal.

The difference is that they won their elections legitimately.  Really caught the left off guard when Trump beat them even though they had it rigged.  That's twice they failed.  The other was when Gore lost.  That pesky Electoral College limits what they can do as far as fraudulent ballets.

The truth is that I don't believe what people in other states believe I don't want to live how they live.  New Yorkers should have more say about things in NY and South Carolinians should have more say about things in SC.  The federal government should have very little to say about anything.  Their job is to protect the States from foreign enemies and to protect the Constitutional rights of the people not all this other BS.

[Tiberius]

2 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

You know what all four of those individuals I just named have in common?

 

They were all elected and everything they did was legal.

The difference is that they won their elections legitimately.  Really caught the left off guard when Trump beat them even though they had it rigged.  That's twice they failed.  The other was when Gore lost.  That pesky Electoral College limits what they can do as far as fraudulent ballets.

The truth is that I don't believe what people in other states believe I don't want to live how they live.  New Yorkers should have more say about things in NY and South Carolinians should have more say about things in SC.  The federal government should have very little to say about anything.  Their job is to protect the States from foreign enemies and to protect the Constitutional rights of the people not all this other BS.

Stalin, Mao and Castro were not elected, Hitler won a seat in the Reichstag and was appointed chancellor before cancelling elections, so you are very wrong. 
 

Oh, and I very much disagree with your states rights stuff. I like a stronger federal union. You should leave the country if you don’t like it. 

[Dragoon]

I hate Joe. Joe is an idiot. But it could be argued that America was friendly with Hitler for a while. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, Dragoon said:

I hate Joe. Joe is an idiot. But it could be argued that America was friendly with Hitler for a while. 

After reading through and commenting on the topic here I'm still not sure what the OP is getting at here?  Is there an insinuation that America supports Nazi's?  What's missing from the statement America was friendly with Hitler is context.  For one its not possible to view and evaluate the events of the 1930's pre-WW2 era through the context of 2020.  The world was in a worldwide depression.  Germany had just been defeated in WW1 and humiliated and economically crippled by the terms of the Versailles treaty.  The conditions for socialist/communist sympathies were present (and once again the NAZI's were the National Socialist German Workers Party.  The dictator part came later in 1932).

And what does it mean to be "friendly"?  And what does "America" mean?  A government policy, private citizens, or private organizations?  Once you answer these types of clarifying questions you can conclude that specific individuals and organizations (some of them German-American organizations) might have been "friendly" to the Reich but there was never any official US policy of support for the Nazi's or Hitler's regime.  And archives of official German records of the time clearly show Hitler had no love or friendship for America.  And prior to America entering WW2 there as a clear policy of supporting the allies, specifically the UK.  Anyone suggesting the U.S. had some official policy of friendship or cooperation with Nazi Germany over and above normal diplomatic relations is wrong.  U.S. pre-war policy was clearly skewed towards the U.K. and never rendered any direct or intentional aid to the Nazi regime.  

[All_Pro_Bills]

On 10/23/2020 at 9:38 PM, New Improved DC Tom said:

 

"Watch?"  I read books.  About three thousand of them, which - at last count - included a good 25 on the socio-economics and politics of Nazi Germany.  Tooze, Shirer, Evans, Kershaw, Overy, Carr.  A few other's you've never heard of.  And of course Speer and Hitler.

 

But you go ahead and stick to television.  I'm sure it's left you well-informed about labor relations under the DAF, or savings confiscation by MEFO bonds, or price fixing and resource rationing through the state-formed industrial cartels.

I'm not sure what your point is other than to demonstrate you're more informed on the subject or smarter than me.  That's okay, I don't claim expert status on the subject.  My point was that NAZI Germany was a socialist society in form and function where the regime centralized total power and control and all decision making.  Where citizens existed to serve the state.  And it was a brutal dictatorial police state .  Along with trying to dispel the myth held by a lot of people on the left that socialist regimes are democratic in nature.  In practice they are not. 

 

[New Improved DC Tom]

16 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I'm not sure what your point is other than to demonstrate you're more informed on the subject or smarter than me.  That's okay, I don't claim expert status on the subject.  My point was that NAZI Germany was a socialist society in form and function where the regime centralized total power and control and all decision making.  Where citizens existed to serve the state.  And it was a brutal dictatorial police state .  Along with trying to dispel the myth held by a lot of people on the left that socialist regimes are democratic in nature.  In practice they are not. 

 

 

And my point is your point is ignorant, and based solely on the semantic construction of "National Socialist."  

 

And "centralized total power and control and all decision making" is a relatively poor description of Nazi Germany.  It's also a poor description of socialism.

[Unforgiven]

On 10/24/2020 at 5:09 PM, Dragoon said:

I hate Joe. Joe is an idiot. But it could be argued that America was friendly with Hitler for a while. 

No. It can't.  Hitler somewhat admired America, and really did everything to keep America out of war.

America didn't have a good reason to get into a European war. They entered the second they had a reason.

Friendly? C'mon with changing history.

The left is so mentally ill they have to lie perpetuate and create false narratives that I think they themselves actually believe.
The logic goes...

 

1)The left hates Trump -

2)Trump is like Hitler because the left love name calling and brainwashing techniques- and

3)Say America was friendly with Nazis because that proves #2 

 

pea brain logic

Edited October 26, 2020 by Unforgiven

[Doc]

The left seems to have this belief that if you were once friends with someone, you'll always be friends even after that person reveals him/herself to be a scumbag.  That's rarely how it works.

[RiotAct]

funny to see the Biden cultists try and spin this one.

[Dragoon]

1 hour ago, Unforgiven said:

No. It can't.  Hitler somewhat admired America, and really did everything to keep America out of war.

America didn't have a good reason to get into a European war. They entered the second they had a reason.

Friendly? C'mon with changing history.

The left is so mentally ill they have to lie perpetuate and create false narratives that I think they themselves actually believe.
The logic goes...

 

1)The left hates Trump -

2)Trump is like Hitler because the left love name calling and brainwashing techniques- and

3)Say America was friendly with Nazis because that proves #2 

 

pea brain logic

 

Yes, I would say America was friendly with Hitler. Henry Ford's newspaper was very Hitler friendly, and the paper had a sizable following. American hero, Charles Lindbergh, was very friendly with fascism. Lots of German Americans were not hostile to Nazi Germany before the war. It's not an unfair assessment. 

[Gary M]

On 10/24/2020 at 5:09 PM, Dragoon said:

I hate Joe. Joe is an idiot. But it could be argued that America was friendly with Hitler for a while. 

 

did we supply the boxcars?

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, Dragoon said:

 

Yes, I would say America was friendly with Hitler. Henry Ford's newspaper was very Hitler friendly, and the paper had a sizable following. American hero, Charles Lindbergh, was very friendly with fascism. Lots of German Americans were not hostile to Nazi Germany before the war. It's not an unfair assessment. 

The thing is and its the root of the matter in my view.  its a long highway between a minority of Americans being "friendly" to suggesting that Americans or America itself supported systematic genocide of racial, ethic, and national groups, political opponents, mentally and physically disabled people, homosexuals, gypsies, and others the regime decided to exterminate.  Anyone that believes that or pushes that narrative is full of crap.  Would you agree with this statement? 

Edited October 26, 2020 by All_Pro_Bills

[Dragoon]

3 hours ago, Gary M said:

 

did we supply the boxcars?

 

Who knows? Maybe we did. But I doubt it based on rail lines. I doubt they’d be American made.....when reading about WWI, train track sizes caused major logistic issues because Europe had many different sizes. 

3 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The thing is and its the root of the matter in my view.  its a long highway between a minority of Americans being "friendly" to suggesting that Americans or America itself supported systematic genocide of racial, ethic, and national groups, political opponents, mentally and physically disabled people, homosexuals, gypsies, and others the regime decided to exterminate.  Anyone that believes that or pushes that narrative is full of crap.  Would you agree with this statement? 

 

Well....there was the St Louis affair. Nasty bit of business that one was. 
 

...but I will say there’s blood on our hands for letting Nazi Germany become a thing. We’re we not a partner in enforcing the Versailles treaty? I think we were. And I think we failed. My defense policy is Cobra Kai. Strike first. Strike hard. No mercy. 

Edited October 26, 2020 by Dragoon

[All_Pro_Bills]

14 hours ago, Dragoon said:

Who knows? Maybe we did. But I doubt it based on rail lines. I doubt they’d be American made.....when reading about WWI, train track sizes caused major logistic issues because Europe had many different sizes. 

 

Well....there was the St Louis affair. Nasty bit of business that one was. 
 

...but I will say there’s blood on our hands for letting Nazi Germany become a thing. We’re we not a partner in enforcing the Versailles treaty? I think we were. And I think we failed. My defense policy is Cobra Kai. Strike first. Strike hard. No mercy. 

Having the benefit of knowing history makes that an easy conclusion.  But pursuing a pre-emptive approach in the context of the time which was a world weary of war and the onset of the Great Depression and a U.S. not yet the Super Power it would become (and perhaps incapable at the time of pulling off such an action) would have been viewed much differently without the benefit of hindsight. 

Edited October 27, 2020 by All_Pro_Bills

[Dragoon]

3 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Having the benefit of knowing history makes that an easy conclusion.  But pursuing a pre-emptive approach in the context of the time which was a world weary of war and the onset of the Great Depression and a U.S. not yet the Super Power it would become (and perhaps incapable at the time of pulling off such an action) would have been viewed much differently without the benefit of hindsight. 

 

But now that we have that hindsight, that learning tool, it'd be a shame to not learn. 

[reddogblitz]

On 10/24/2020 at 12:22 PM, Tiberius said:

You should leave the country if you don’t like it. 

 

AMERICA. LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.

 

Archie Bunker would be proud.

 

I used to see this bumper sticker on cars/trucks in the 60s and 70s in Texas when I was a boy.

[New Improved DC Tom]

This dumbass thread is still here?