America was friendly with Hitler

[New Improved DC Tom]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Yes, Volkswagon.  Watch the series" Hilter's Empire: The Post-War Plan".  It makes what the Reich was all about very clear.  State control over every aspect of the lives of every citizen.  A belief the citizen exists to serve the state. No freedom of choice or self determination.  That's a socialist's wet dream. 

 

And still there are people that insist the NAZI's were not socialists even in the face of a clear historical record.  Because they were brutal thugs and psychotic murderers?  News flash.  So are ALL socialist regimes.  Deniers are either in denial of history or ignorant of history or simply refuse to accept the truth.  Preferring to live in the fantasy that has been created for them to believe in.  That fantasy being socialism is "good".

 

"Watch?"  I read books.  About three thousand of them, which - at last count - included a good 25 on the socio-economics and politics of Nazi Germany.  Tooze, Shirer, Evans, Kershaw, Overy, Carr.  A few other's you've never heard of.  And of course Speer and Hitler.

 

But you go ahead and stick to television.  I'm sure it's left you well-informed about labor relations under the DAF, or savings confiscation by MEFO bonds, or price fixing and resource rationing through the state-formed industrial cartels.

[RaoulDuke79]

5 hours ago, Tiberius said:

We are a nation of immigrants, all throughout our history. Open border country for a long long time 

 

We are a certainly a nation of immigrants. We didn't get here by having open borders. There is a system in place to become a citizen for a reason. We simply can't be overrun by undocumented people illegally entering the country. I

[formerlyofCtown]

8 hours ago, Capco said:

 

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Funny you think what I'm saying is inaccurate.  I had to write a 3500 word report on all this stuff in college.  It's amazing how many people who think they are socialist don't know what socialism is or the history of it.  

 

You should probably do a little research.

[Capco]

3 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Funny you think what I'm saying is inaccurate.  I had to write a 3500 word report on all this stuff in college.  It's amazing how many people who think they are socialist don't know what socialism is or the history of it.  

 

You should probably do a little research.

 

3500 words?  That's it?  Hahahahaha.  

 

The fact that you think that makes you a credible source in any sense is laughable at best.  

[formerlyofCtown]

8 hours ago, Tiberius said:

We are a nation of immigrants, all throughout our history. Open border country for a long long time 

Hitler was no socialist. That is a foolish thing to say. 

Lol.  Corporate tax in NAZI Germany was around 99% at one point.  Most factories were actually run by SS.

Interesting that the leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party was not a Socialist according to you.

The biggest problem with this country is that people think they know something that they don't.

The mainstream net give tons of inaccurate info.  Leftist media spins it one way, the alt right the other.  

When all resources are the property of the nation(in reality whoever is in power), you have socialism.

[formerlyofCtown]

22 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

3500 words?  That's it?  Hahahahaha.  

 

The fact that you think that makes you a credible source in any sense is laughable at best.  

No.  The credible sources are the people and data sited.  You obviously haven't gone to college.  I had to get permission to expand the word allowance.  That is a rather large college paper.  What makes it credible is history.  Study NAZI Germany and then tell me it wasn't Socialist.

Edited October 24, 2020 by formerlyofCtown

[formerlyofCtown]

3 hours ago, Unforgiven said:

socialism...communism...liberalism, all the same ***** .

American baby, democracy...

Want stuff?  Start a business or get a job. otherwise stop whining.

You can be any one of those and a democracy.

Socialism, Communism, Liberalism and Conservatism.  All other people trying to force their will and ideology on others.  

What you are referring to at the end of your statement is called capitalism and it's the fairest system for humans.  It's a shame people get greedy and don't follow the rules of supply and demand.

Socialism would be a wonderful government to have if we could just figure out how to not have mankind running it.

[Capco]

7 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

sited.

 

Come on dude.  I know it's Friday night and we all like to get a little bit drunk, but surely one who is this confident in their work would know the difference between sited and cited, right?

 

I literally wrote a 1750 word Torts midterm not 4 days ago in 2 hours and 15 minutes.  3500 words is nothing.

[formerlyofCtown]

13 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

Come on dude.  I know it's Friday night and we all like to get a little bit drunk, but surely one who is this confident in their work would know the difference between sited and cited, right?

 

I literally wrote a 1750 word Torts midterm not 4 days ago in 2 hours and 15 minutes.  3500 words is nothing.

That was just the written part.  There were also visuals.  5000 words is the max for college papers.  Most professors don't want you to go over 1750.  I had to shrink my paper down to 3500 words.  Also you have to add 3 pages of MLA citations and all the deep research that goes into creating a report that is accurate.  I can tell from this discussion that legit research may not be something you are familiar with.  Maybe someday you can have a paralegal do it for you.

BTW you can't write a research paper in 2.25 hrs.  You have to do the research.  Maybe that once again is the problem.

 

Thanks for the correction.  If only you were so graceful when you're wrong.  You probably aren't even attending a university.

Edited October 24, 2020 by formerlyofCtown

[Q-baby!]

36 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

Come on dude.  I know it's Friday night and we all like to get a little bit drunk, but surely one who is this confident in their work would know the difference between sited and cited, right?

 

I literally wrote a 1750 word Torts midterm not 4 days ago in 2 hours and 15 minutes.  3500 words is nothing.

What does this have to do with hockey and did he yell at you to get it done on time? 

[HamSandwhich]

15 hours ago, Tiberius said:

We are a nation of immigrants, all throughout our history. Open border country for a long long time 

Hitler was no socialist. That is a foolish thing to say. 

So you agree a socialist country is bad then? You agree a socialist country must close the borders to its most productive peoples and keep them from leaving, to keep from brain drain of the country? That, in and of itself, is morally reprehensible but a necessary feature of socialism. Berlin Wall is a perfect example.

18 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

My smell test of whether a country is free or not is how they control their national borders.  A free society maintains a border patrol/enforcement organization to keep people from entering illegally (or if you prefer, undocumented).  Socialist/Communist countries maintain border patrols to keep people from leaving.  Generally by force up and including lethal force.  It one of the biggest tools of state control available to them designed to enslave the most productive members of society in order to keep the elites and their armies of social enforcers living well.  If all the productive people leave the whole thing goes to Hell.

 

My message to wanna-be American Socialist is that I have no issue with them being Socialists.  In fact there's nothing stopping them from doing it now.  Just get a business or some enterprise together and apply the socialist principals, whatever they might be, in running the organization.  See if it works.  But please don't try to force me to go along with your plan. I kind of get the idea that you all expect people like me, people that have jobs and a paycheck, are going to foot the bill for all your "great" ideas.  You want to play, then you need to pay.  Best of luck. 

100% agree

Edited October 24, 2020 by HamSandwhich

[Kemp]

19 hours ago, Q-baby! said:

Triggered!!! 

 

I always find it amusing that Trump supporters scream something into the ether and then laugh at their own words.

 

Reminds me of stereotypical psychos in movies.

[Tiberius]

53 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

So you agree a socialist country is bad then? You agree a socialist country must close the borders to its most productive peoples and keep them from leaving, to keep from brain drain of the country? That, in and of itself, is morally reprehensible but a necessary feature of socialism. Berlin Wall is a perfect example.

100% agree

Depends on how you define socialism. I love social security, Medicare, federal funding to states, unemployment insurance, Green energy, etc. 

[Tiberius]

8 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Lol.  Corporate tax in NAZI Germany was around 99% at one point.  Most factories were actually run by SS.

Interesting that the leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party was not a Socialist according to you.

The biggest problem with this country is that people think they know something that they don't.

The mainstream net give tons of inaccurate info.  Leftist media spins it one way, the alt right the other.  

When all resources are the property of the nation(in reality whoever is in power), you have socialism.

Big business supported Hitler. He ran a nationalist movement, smashed the unions and crushed the rights of all people. You are just spewing right wing propaganda by making Hitler seem like a leftists. He did nothing socialist, he was a racist, Social Darwinist and militarist. Your ignorant claims of socialism in the Nazis is laughable. It’s a silly as those saying today’s Democrats are tied to the KKK because Jefferson Davis was a Democrat. 

[Wacka]

7 hours ago, Capco said:

 

Come on dude.  I know it's Friday night and we all like to get a little bit drunk, but surely one who is this confident in their work would know the difference between sited and cited, right?

 

I literally wrote a 1750 word Torts midterm not 4 days ago in 2 hours and 15 minutes.  3500 words is nothing.

Those ate nothing. Write a thesis. Years of actual hands on researching, months of writing and editing. Mine had close to 100 references.Maybe about the sane # of pages.That was along time ago.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

12 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

We are a certainly a nation of immigrants. We didn't get here by having open borders. There is a system in place to become a citizen for a reason. We simply can't be overrun by undocumented people illegally entering the country. I

 

...DEAD ON.....why did both sets of my late grandparents do it the "legal way" through Ellis Island from Italy?.......one set raised nine children with NO public assistance or "gimmes", working as many jobs as need to raise the family......ditto for the other set raising four children.....what did they do WRONG or what changed LEGALLY to open the floodgates?.....

Edited October 24, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Doc]

12 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...DEAD ON.....why did both sets of my late grandparents do it the "legal way" through Ellis Island from Italy?.......one set raised nine children with NO public assistance or "gimmes", working as many jobs as need to raise the family......ditto for the other set raising four children.....what did they do WRONG or what changed LEGALLY to open the floodgates?.....

 

My mom is a Democrat who emigrated from India in the late 60's and even she says that people need to come here legally.  Some Dems just do, say and think what they're told by their masters.

 

Oh and Trump should have asked Joe "what about Fidel Castro?"

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

My mom is a Democrat who emigrated from India in the late 60's and even she says that people need to come here legally.  Some Dems just do, say and think what they're told by their masters.

 

Oh and Trump should have asked Joe "what about Fidel Castro?"

 

....you should be proud of her assessment......NO shame in doing it the "right way".......

[Doc]

9 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

....you should be proud of her assessment......NO shame in doing it the "right way".......

 

I was.  And most legal immigrants feel that way.  Some Dems just argue against it because they want more Dem voters/votes.  It's why they don't want voter ID laws.

 

Again, I want everyone who is eligible to vote to be able to do so. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I was.  And most legal immigrants feel that way.  Some Dems just argue against it because they want more Dem voters/votes.  It's why they don't want voter ID laws.

 

Again, I want everyone who is eligible to vote to be able to do so. 

 

....good show Doc....how can we HONESTLY advertise ourselves as the "world's greatest democracy" and peddle it all over the globe if we are sorely lacking in the simple fundamentals devoid of graft, corruption, partisanship and turning a blind eye to laws on the books for political gain?......hypocritical?......you betcha.....