PaattMaann Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Star opted out in July, should have been adequately addressed back then. JMHO AFTER free agency/the draft. And in a year when we were already close to the cap spending, and having extensions of key players coming up, JMHO that its understandable they couldnt/didnt address it and hoped they can piece together a solution from the current roster. That obviously isnt working NOW, but options are limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 I'd give up a 2nd for Williams. He was definitely one of the most talented players in the draft last year. I think a change of scenery would do him well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Who was the big guy we drafted to take the place of Kyle Williams and what has he done is he still on the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyK Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 21 minutes ago, colin said: he's big and talented, if that price was a 3rd, i'd do it in a new york minute. frankly, i am tempted for a 2nd I would do it now as our window for winning might be now, once Allen gets a new deal we are are in a totally different situation cap wise. Our 2nd next year hopefully is towards the end of the draft, so it would be less than what you would give up to move up on draft day. Jets and Miami might improve quickly and we might miss our opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 I would rather make a trade with the other NY/NJ team and go after Tomlinson from the Giants. Tomlinson was a 2nd round pick in 2017 who is a very good run stuffer but not a great pass rusher. The Giants have Leonard Williams and Simmons at the DT position and are unlikely to put up the money needed to resign a run stuffer who isn't the best on the pass rush. The cost would probably be lower and the Giants are more likely to deal with the Bills than the Jets are. I also think cap wise it helps that Tomlinson makes next to nothing on the last year of his rookie 2nd round deal. Whereas Williams makes a lot more due to being a fairly high draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Adding Quinnen Williams doesn't really solve our problem. The McDermott/Frasier defense needs a 1-Tech DT who can occupy blockers and command double-teams. - We had a decent one with Star Lotulelei, but he opted out at the end of July. By that point, it was too late to focus on the position in free agency or the draft. - The hope was that Harrison Phillips would be a seamless replacement. But he has clearly not recovered from his ACL injury last year, and has struggled. - The Vernon Butler signing was a one-year flyer, hoping to salvage the career of a former 1st Round Pick. It has not worked out. As of right now, the coaching staff has been forced to either play bad players (Phillips/Butler) in that position... or go with undersized guys (Oliver/Jefferson/Zimmer) who aren't good in that role and are getting run-over. Williams would likely be adding to the latter. It's the same reason I don't really think re-signing Jordan Phillips would be making much of a difference right now. I fully expect Brandon Beane to make a move for a DT at some point (honestly surprised it hasn't happened yet). But I just don't see Williams being an option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 minute ago, ALLEN1QB said: Who was the big guy we drafted to take the place of Kyle Williams and what has he done is he still on the team He has done about as much as the rest of them on the D line. lol. None of them have been too hot lately. Hopefully something can be figured out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 minute ago, PaattMaann said: AFTER free agency/the draft. And in a year when we were already close to the cap spending, and having extensions of key players coming up, JMHO that its understandable they couldnt/didnt address it and hoped they can piece together a solution from the current roster. That obviously isnt working NOW, but options are limited. Well with Covid coming up Beane et al should have been prepared for players opting out, this was a bad/risky year to spend so close to cap limits. Is that 20/20, yes but it is also very pragmatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: AFTER free agency/the draft. And in a year when we were already close to the cap spending, and having extensions of key players coming up, JMHO that its understandable they couldnt/didnt address it and hoped they can piece together a solution from the current roster. That obviously isnt working NOW, but options are limited. They should have gone after someone else besides Butler. I just don't understand what the Butler signing was about. They signed Addision and Jefferson to replace Phillips and Shaq and honestly Addision and Jefferson have been mostly what we thought they would be. But why sign Butler if you think Star is playing? At that point you have Oliver and Jefferson as the pass rushers and Star and Harry as the bigger guys. You could have spent that 7ish million on another depth piece or rolled it over. It just was such an odd choice to add an expensive 5th DT. Unless you felt concerned about Star opting out and signed Butler as insurance. In that case you just wiffed and should have signed a more pure run stuffer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said: Who was the big guy we drafted to take the place of Kyle Williams and what has he done is he still on the team Harrison Philips? Ehh he was much better last year, not the same post injury. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Star opted out in July, should have been adequately addressed back then. JMHO As I have said before.........for those of you who miss super-Star watching RB's run past him while he absorbs the single team block.........getting him back next year is going to be like getting an extra first round pick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Oliver progressed down the stretch last year and started looking better and we had high hopes coming into this year, but with the whole defense going to pot it’s been hard to really judge any specific player properly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: As I have said before.........for those of you who miss super-Star watching RB's run past him while he absorbs the single team block.........getting him back next year is going to be like getting an extra first round pick! Assuming he comes back, wouldnt shock me at all if he retires and if Covid is still raging, being his size,, and the amount he has made, i certainly wouldnt blame him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: They should have gone after someone else besides Butler. I just don't understand what the Butler signing was about. They signed Addision and Jefferson to replace Phillips and Shaq and honestly Addision and Jefferson have been mostly what we thought they would be. But why sign Butler if you think Star is playing? At that point you have Oliver and Jefferson as the pass rushers and Star and Harry as the bigger guys. You could have spent that 7ish million on another depth piece or rolled it over. It just was such an odd choice to add an expensive 5th DT. Unless you felt concerned about Star opting out and signed Butler as insurance. In that case you just wiffed and should have signed a more pure run stuffer. This is something that is more than fair to wonder about. I am also not sure. Really it seems like you have Oliver, Butler and Harry as the 3-t's because they are all better suited for that role and then just Star as the 1-T. Maybe they thought they could get away with those 30 percent of other snaps that Star doesnt play being a combo of the other guys?? Good point though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Yeah this contract outlook should be a no Brainer for Beane or any team really to give up a 2nd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 13 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I would rather make a trade with the other NY/NJ team and go after Tomlinson from the Giants. Tomlinson was a 2nd round pick in 2017 who is a very good run stuffer but not a great pass rusher. The Giants have Leonard Williams and Simmons at the DT position and are unlikely to put up the money needed to resign a run stuffer who isn't the best on the pass rush. The cost would probably be lower and the Giants are more likely to deal with the Bills than the Jets are. I also think cap wise it helps that Tomlinson makes next to nothing on the last year of his rookie 2nd round deal. Whereas Williams makes a lot more due to being a fairly high draft pick. I looked into him and I’m all on this train now. Syracuse.com and Buffalorumblings both have articles mentioning him as a target we should pursue. I’d rather give a 4th for him; as opposed to a 2nd for Q. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 44 minutes ago, colin said: he's big and talented, if that price was a 3rd, i'd do it in a new york minute. frankly, i am tempted for a 2nd Living in NYC area, I'll listen to sports radio in my car. Apparently it's more mental with Q. Which you can argue is good or bad. Good because maybe coming to a competent team with real leadership and accountability can get him zoned in. Bad because maybe that doesn't make a difference and he just doesn't have the mentality to want to be great. I'd probably still dish a 3rd. The talent is undeniable. And I'd be cautiously optimistic that coach and our leaders can keep him motivated. 28 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: AFTER free agency/the draft. And in a year when we were already close to the cap spending, and having extensions of key players coming up, JMHO that its understandable they couldnt/didnt address it and hoped they can piece together a solution from the current roster. That obviously isnt working NOW, but options are limited. I think Harry Phillips was the guy they were hoping can take over for Star but he just hasn't looked good. I just hope it isn't from the injury and can be corrected 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 minute ago, JerseyBills said: Living in NYC area, I'll listen to sports radio in my car. Apparently it's more mental with Q. Which you can argue is good or bad. Good because maybe coming to a competent team with real leadership and accountability can get him zoned in. Bad because maybe that doesn't make a difference and he just doesn't have the mentality to want to be great. I'd probably still dish a 3rd. The talent is undeniable. And I'd be cautiously optimistic that coach and our leaders can keep him motivated. I will always point to the players that get away from Gase improve. There are ALOT of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 27 minutes ago, H2o said: I'd give up a 2nd for Williams. He was definitely one of the most talented players in the draft last year. I think a change of scenery would do him well. I would do this Immediately. Pair him (1 tech) next to Ed (3 tech) and that would be very good NT combo with time to evaluate both before their rookie contracts comes due. Give them a 2nd. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Living in NYC area, I'll listen to sports radio in my car. Apparently it's more mental with Q. Which you can argue is good or bad. Good because maybe coming to a competent team with real leadership and accountability can get him zoned in. Bad because maybe that doesn't make a difference and he just doesn't have the mentality to want to be great. I'd probably still dish a 3rd. The talent is undeniable. And I'd be cautiously optimistic that coach and our leaders can keep him motivated. im in NJ too bro, Monmouth county. Just a big body who can punch some people in the mouth is a big addition at this point. phillips is too hurt to anchor, star is afraid of the big bad covid so's doing jack for us, oliver has a knee and he's not really a 1 tech anyhow. if it could happen, i'd fire off the 2nd and get q in here and at the least keep the LBs clean for like 40% of our plays on D 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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