BADOLBILZ Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 On 10/21/2020 at 11:36 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Apparently per Frazier presser, one starter (Milano) is injured and out; the other starter (Edmunds) is injured and playing. Matt Fairburn had a take on the DL decisions: 2. The Bills’ defensive line may have had better luck if Harrison Phillips and Trent Murphy had been in the lineup. Sean McDermott said the two handled the situation like pros after being named healthy scratches.(....) McDermott decided Bryan Cox Jr., A.J. Epenesa and Darryl Johnson all gave the Bills a better chance to win than Murphy did. That has to be tough for Murphy to swallow. The Bills could have turned to Murphy and Phillips in this game when the Chiefs decided to go with a run-heavy approach. It felt like McDermott tried to get too clever with that lineup decision, and you wonder what impact it will have in a locker room that looks to Phillips and Murphy as leaders. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall in the room where that decision was made and when the aftermath was discussed. It seems contra-intuitive to have a game plan where the primary goal is to shut down the pass with the secondary goal to contain the QB limit the run, and healthy-scratch a guy who is one of the best run defenders and another guy who is a very gap-sound run defender, in favor of two practice squad guys who apparently were winning the walk-through or limited practice. De-activating them entirely gave Andy Reid hours to build the resolve to fight his nature and be patient with the run. Phillips has received mixed reviews this year but he has been their only hope at 1T as far as defending the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 ...not sure if it's ironic or hypocritical to read the purported "Star Luv" now that he's NOT here......he's been the "favorite punching bag" of the "TBD expert pundits"....guess "absence makes the heart grow fonder"...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 We let two evidently important players walk, and their replacements aren’t as good, and we are paying the price. It hurts to say that, but it appears to be the case. Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: We let two evidently important players walk, and their replacements aren’t as good, and we are paying the price. It hurts to say that, but it appears to be the case. Go Bills!!! ...is there anything exorbitant in the Jordan Phillips deal that you see?... Jordan Phillips signed a 3 year, $30,000,000 contract with the Arizona Cardinals, including a $8,000,000 signing bonus, $18,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $10,000,000. In 2020, Phillips will earn a base salary of $2,000,000 and a signing bonus of $8,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $4,000,000 and a dead cap value of $14,500,000. Contract Terms: 3 yr(s) / $30,000,000 Signing Bonus $8,000,000 Average Salary$10,000,000 GTD at Sign:$14,500,000 Total GTD:$18,500,000 Free Agent: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...is there anything exorbitant in the Jordan Phillips deal that you see?... Jordan Phillips signed a 3 year, $30,000,000 contract with the Arizona Cardinals, including a $8,000,000 signing bonus, $18,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $10,000,000. In 2020, Phillips will earn a base salary of $2,000,000 and a signing bonus of $8,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $4,000,000 and a dead cap value of $14,500,000. Contract Terms: 3 yr(s) / $30,000,000 Signing Bonus $8,000,000 Average Salary$10,000,000 GTD at Sign:$14,500,000 Total GTD:$18,500,000 Free Agent: And? 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 It begins and ends with the Dline. A successful Dline helps all levels of the defense, much like a rising tide raising all ships. We cannot get pressure on the QB, they have time to wait for receivers to get in better positions, the LBers are simply not great and injured and we don't actually have a nickel or CB2. This defense is painful to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Rams — talented team W Titans — talented team L Chiefs — talented team L Raiders — kind of a talented team W Fish — had Fitzmagic not Fitztragic W JETS — dumpster fire. W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 This years dl reminds me of when wood and incognito left and we just decided not to replace either. Dl is a mess right now. We lost 3 out of our 4 best dl and the others just aren’t stepping up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) Not enough fibre in their diet? * Feng shui at the field house out of whack? *🤔 Edited October 23, 2020 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...not sure if it's ironic or hypocritical to read the purported "Star Luv" now that he's NOT here......he's been the "favorite punching bag" of the "TBD expert pundits"....guess "absence makes the heart grow fonder"...... we might be better w Star but the Bills struggled just as bad against the browns and Eagles and he was in there We just diidnt seee enough teams willing to power run us to death last year Its more than just Star's absence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 14 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Why are Frazier and McDermott playing Josh Norman in man if they know how to use the strengths of their players? Why are the blitzing players that suck at blitzing? If you just started watching oliver in the last few games I could see saying that he hasn’t been good but saying he’s had no impact since being drafted is flat out wrong. He was progressing towards the end of the year and had a huge impact in the Dallas game. You are grasping at straws. Oliver has basically sucked since he's taken the field as a Bill. You need to get way more production out of a top ten pick. Norman was playing due to injuries and lack of depth. Maybe they are assessing what he has in the tank. Frankly, I'll trust Fraizer and McDermott's judgement over yours. The proof is in the success that they have had with our defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, newcam2012 said: You are grasping at straws. Oliver has basically sucked since he's taken the field as a Bill. You need to get way more production out of a top ten pick. Norman was playing due to injuries and lack of depth. Maybe they are assessing what he has in the tank. Frankly, I'll trust Fraizer and McDermott's judgement over yours. The proof is in the success that they have had with our defense. Well Frazier and McDermott are starting the guy that you claim has “sucked since he’s taken the field as a Bill.” So they think he’s playing good enough to be there so you must not trust their judgement either. Smh Seeing what Norman has left? Did they ignore his time in Washington where everyone and their mom saw him struggle in man for years? Did they forget his strengths and weaknesses from when they had him in Carolina? Edited October 23, 2020 by Not at the table Karlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frez Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Not enough beef up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 9 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Well Frazier and McDermott are starting the guy that you claim has “sucked since he’s taken the field as a Bill.” So they think he’s playing good enough to be there so you must not trust their judgement either. Smh Seeing what Norman has left? Did they ignore his time in Washington where everyone and their mom saw him struggle in man for years? Did they forget his strengths and weaknesses from when they had him in Carolina? Oliver is still young. It's too early to give up on him. Doesn't mean he hasn't sucked! He has been a great disappearing act thus far.. Maybe ***** Norman is the best we have under the circumstances? What do you suggest coach Karlos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 20 hours ago, Rocbillsfan1 said: This years dl reminds me of when wood and incognito left and we just decided not to replace either. Dl is a mess right now. We lost 3 out of our 4 best dl and the others just aren’t stepping up. We didn't "not replace them", we replaced them with kind of cut out bin guys. This year, we spent some real money on guys who had a track record and they thought would be as good. Problems include Star opting out, Oliver injuring himself vs . Mia and not playing up to his last years form, Harrison Phillips not playing up to his last year's form, Edmunds playing injured and not playing up to his last year's form, and Milano being out So the impact may be similar but I would say the root cause (not adequate talent) differs a bit in that we have guys who have talent, they're either injured, recovering from injury, or out while the guys we brought in are not playing up to expectation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 23 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...is there anything exorbitant in the Jordan Phillips deal that you see?... Jordan Phillips signed a 3 year, $30,000,000 contract with the Arizona Cardinals, including a $8,000,000 signing bonus, $18,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $10,000,000. In 2020, Phillips will earn a base salary of $2,000,000 and a signing bonus of $8,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $4,000,000 and a dead cap value of $14,500,000. Contract Terms: 3 yr(s) / $30,000,000 Signing Bonus $8,000,000 Average Salary$10,000,000 GTD at Sign:$14,500,000 Total GTD:$18,500,000 Free Agent: They invested a high first round pick on Oliver, had they'd known Phillip's was going to burst on the scene they may have chose differently. Oliver did show flashes his rookie year. Not sure many teams are going to hand out a bigger contract when you Spent a top 10 pick on the same position 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, newcam2012 said: Oliver is still young. It's too early to give up on him. Doesn't mean he hasn't sucked! He has been a great disappearing act thus far.. Maybe ***** Norman is the best we have under the circumstances? What do you suggest coach Karlos? Just go read the all 22 review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I think the problems start up front with the DL and then permeates through the layers. 1. They have no DT like Star to eat up blockers and space, making the LBs job harder. Oliver is playing below Jordan’s Phillips level last year. 2. The edge rush is not good enough. Hughes got old. Addison‘s sack production would be ok for the #3 guy, not the 1. Murphy disappeared and Epenesa had no camp, no preseason, and is not ready. 3. Milano is always hurt. Edmunds misses Star and he too is hurt. They never replaced Lorenzo’s leadership, coverage, and pass rush skills. 4. They need help at #2CB and at Nickel. Star, Phillips, and Alexander were not adequately replaced. Depth has not improved, it appears to be worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 58 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: I think the problems start up front with the DL and then permeates through the layers. 1. They have no DT like Star to eat up blockers and space, making the LBs job harder. Oliver is playing below Jordan’s Phillips level last year. 2. The edge rush is not good enough. Hughes got old. Addison‘s sack production would be ok for the #3 guy, not the 1. Murphy disappeared and Epenesa had no camp, no preseason, and is not ready. 3. Milano is always hurt. Edmunds misses Star and he too is hurt. They never replaced Lorenzo’s leadership, coverage, and pass rush skills. 4. They need help at #2CB and at Nickel. Star, Phillips, and Alexander were not adequately replaced. Depth has not improved, it appears to be worse. Pretty much fair analysis. Add in that Harrison Phillips is not playing at the level he was at before injury and that Oliver is working his way back from hurt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Bob in STL said: I think the problems start up front with the DL and then permeates through the layers. 1. They have no DT like Star to eat up blockers and space, making the LBs job harder. Oliver is playing below Jordan’s Phillips level last year. 2. The edge rush is not good enough. Hughes got old. Addison‘s sack production would be ok for the #3 guy, not the 1. Murphy disappeared and Epenesa had no camp, no preseason, and is not ready. 3. Milano is always hurt. Edmunds misses Star and he too is hurt. They never replaced Lorenzo’s leadership, coverage, and pass rush skills. 4. They need help at #2CB and at Nickel. Star, Phillips, and Alexander were not adequately replaced. Depth has not improved, it appears to be worse. Shaq Lawson was a good run defender. They are all missed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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