billsfan61184 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 To start how about the defense yielding 245 yards in the ground and 466 overall in which a team did what they wanted when they wanted. How about 15 percent or $30M of our entire cap tied up in 3 DEs in Hughes, Addison and Murphy and all we have is 4 sacks from these 3 guys. We have too many hard working, over paid defensive guys courtesy of coach. We made great strides with the passing offense. This league is now a year to year league because of qb contracts. In this day and age ..... with qbs on rookie contracts you can't afford to waste their early years. This putrid defense is on coach and GM. It's only going to get more difficult when 20 percent of cap is tied up in qb in a few years. Can't afford to keep a 29 yr old run stopper on edge for almost 9m in Murphy. Could have used that money this year to get a legitimate starting lb to go next to Edmunds and Milano and not have some washed up imposter playing the role of a starting lb in Klein. it's time for a change in philosophy with the d line. Hard working over achievers arent going to cut it..... it's time for a pure edge rusher with our top pick. If Oliver is going to make it in this league it's not between the "A" gap.... he's getting destroyed/ manhandled. It's time to adapt to your talent coach..... definition of insanity is doing same thing over and over and expecting different results. Quintin Jefferson is not a DT....he's a hybrid..... you don't think teams know we have an undersized DT in Oliver and a hybrid guy that should be more outside in a 3-4 defense in Jefferson. Put this with Edmunds not getting off blocks and ultimately you have holes the size of the Grand Canyon in the middle of our defense. It also has made our safeties reactive with absolutely no proactive ability to cause havoc with pre-snap looks or deceptions. They have become paralyzed tacklers on the back end because of having to make so many tackles and not being able to be aggressive at the line of scrimmage. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 They suck. End thread. 5 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Coaching is what's wrong with this defense. The sooner McD starts doing the defensive gameplan and starts calling the defense the better they will be, Frazier sucks, always has. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I think they're light in the pants. Oliver is not a poor-man's Aaron Donald, he is just a 280 pound DT that gets shoved around and is able to get a mop-up chase down sack once in awhile. Hughes is 30+ years old, Murphy is 30+ years old, Addison is 30+ years old. Jefferson and Phillips are just guys. At linebacker and corner the Bills lack of depth has been exposed. We keep waiting for Edmunds to make an impact, but he looks like a good athlete with no instincts. Tre White is not as dominant this season, Josh Norman shouldn't be on an NFL field. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I think they're light in the pants. Oliver is not a poor-man's Aaron Donald, he is just a 280 pound DT that gets shoved around and is able to get a mop-up chase down sack once in awhile. Hughes is 30+ years old, Murphy is 30+ years old, Addison is 30+ years old. Jefferson and Phillips are just guys. At linebacker and corner the Bills lack of depth has been exposed. We keep waiting for Edmunds to make an impact, but he looks like a good athlete with no instincts. Tre White is not as dominant this season, Josh Norman shouldn't be on an NFL field. Losing Lawson, Phillips, and Lotulelei has really hurt. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Too small, and undisciplined on the defensive line is biggest issue. Along with lack of depth on the linebacker and cornerback positions 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 To quote an old commercial: Where's the beef? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Leslie Frazier. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said: Leslie Frazier. * and Sean McDermott It's his Defense before anybody 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 How many times will they have to watch the film and see Hughes crash inside and the QB run outside where he should be and gain 20 yards before they sit him? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, turftoe said: Losing Lawson, Phillips, and Lotulelei has really hurt. Don't forget about Alexander. With Milano out now, the unit as a whole is a shadow of what it was last year. Edited October 20, 2020 by skibum 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretzel logic Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Simply, no Shaq, jordon Philip's and Star. No need to write a silique to this Defensive drop off. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Does anybody think benching Phillips and Murphy made the team better last night? Because I don't. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 The TOP difference last night was truly staggering. Did it feel like the Chiefs had ripped the pages right out of Bill Belichick's SP XXV gameplan to ground the Bills' high flying attack and then play keep away the rest of the night? It was demoralizing to never be able to come off the field after 3rd down "lookout" runs for chunk yardage time after time--the weird thing is that despite his TD throws, it seemed like Mahomes was quietly flying under the radar & content to let the Chiefs do what they wanted to on the ground. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 24 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said: How many times will they have to watch the film and see Hughes crash inside and the QB run outside where he should be and gain 20 yards before they sit him? How many times must we watch Frazier use edmunds as almost a 3rd safety 30 yards deep in the middle?....this scheme is not tailored to our players strengths at all! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Reich Thing Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 The reek in the trenches. They were getting blown off the ball by 2nd and 3rd sting linemen. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 As others have noted we got smaller and less physical on the D-line compared to last year and it shows on the field. Oliver is the key. We talk about what a disaster missing on Allen would be and IMO we haven't as Allen is a franchise QB. But we used a #7 pick on Allen and we used I believe a #9 pick for Oliver in 2019. A top 10 pick has to produce or it's a real problem. So far Oliver has under performed and that has got to change. One other point, how much of the LB's problems are tied to a D-line that can't occupy the opponents O-line allowing them to release and blast our LB's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Im in agreement with many: size up front and physicality. We are not a physical team at all on both sides of the ball. Thats why we pass protect better than run block. We cant push people around. A team like the Titans on the other hand is pretty damn physical. physicality is hard to put a finger on or to tangibly measure. Its one of those things you can really only see/observe in my opinion. And thats whats wrong with this defense and team in general in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Everything 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, bobobonators said: Im in agreement with many: size up front and physicality. We are not a physical team at all on both sides of the ball. Thats why we pass protect better than run block. We cant push people around. A team like the Titans on the other hand is pretty damn physical. physicality is hard to put a finger on or to tangibly measure. Its one of those things you can really only see/observe in my opinion. And thats whats wrong with this defense and team in general in my opinion. It all takes a nasty attitude to do it. No nastiness on this team whatsoever. They get pushed around by 2nd and 3rd stringers from almost every team they play with LITTLE resistance. I have always supported McBeane and the Bills, but the last two weeks have showed that this organization has learned NOTHING from their previous experiences against top teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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