DCofNC Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 13 hours ago, smuvtalker said: Something has gotta give. It has, it’s the W-L record. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagoon Blues Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Need to get Feliciano back. Need some mean dudes up there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaoloBillsFanFromItaly Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 On 10/20/2020 at 4:43 PM, Rochesterfan said: It was zone coverage - it was not switched up. If White drops deeper - it opened the flat right in front of him. I think he recognized the issue and was trying to get safety help deep. It was the perfect play call for that defense and the throw and catch made it work. I do not believe it was a breakdown as much as the right call at the right time. That play is designed to put Tre in a predicament because if he drops to cover Kelsey - it opens the flat and if he plays the flat it opens Kelsey. He tried to be in between, but was in no mans land. Isn't White supposed to make contact with Kelce to slow him down before taking account of the HB running in the flat? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 So for those who understand the X's and O's the trenches. How has Ford been at LG? Is losing him actually a loss or are we better with Spain? Assuming Spain is healthy this week. @GunnerBill @Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 On 10/20/2020 at 8:19 AM, H2o said: Hindsight is 20/20, but I would rather have Phillips and Lawson over Jefferson, Butler, and Addison. Or Epenesa, Zimmer and Cox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share Posted October 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: So for those who understand the X's and O's the trenches. How has Ford been at LG? Is losing him actually a loss or are we better with Spain? Assuming Spain is healthy this week. @GunnerBill @Alphadawg7 You didn’t ask me and I’m not a film watcher but I get the impression that the coaching staff thought ford would be better than Spain but he hasn’t been. I don’t know if Spain is healthy but I wouldn’t be surprised to see boettger or Bates there this week instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, finn said: Or Epenesa, Zimmer and Cox. Im still holding out hopes for Zimmer and Cox. If Cox has half his father's passion he'll be 10x more passionate than any of the overpaid dead enders on D today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: So for those who understand the X's and O's the trenches. How has Ford been at LG? Is losing him actually a loss or are we better with Spain? Assuming Spain is healthy this week. @GunnerBill @Alphadawg7 I dunno about understand the X's and Os but I'll give my take. Spain was benched due to failures in pass protection in the Mia game. Spain was pretty good in pass protection last year Spain was not as good in run blocking last year - that's the reason Tennessee moved on from him. Ford at guard has generally been decent at LG in the pass game, but has not been as stout in the run game. In particular, he's allowed defenders to get off his blocks and make plays. He's been seen wearing a brace (I think on his R arm) and has been working through a groin injury. There's also a transition to LG and he may just need to learn. So which Spain are we getting back? Week 1-2 model or last year's model? If the latter, it's probably a push. If the former, it's a significant loss because Spain was benched for a reason. Either way, the level of play has not been adequate for the run game. 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: You didn’t ask me and I’m not a film watcher but I get the impression that the coaching staff thought ford would be better than Spain but he hasn’t been. I don’t know if Spain is healthy but I wouldn’t be surprised to see boettger or Bates there this week instead *shudder* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: You didn’t ask me and I’m not a film watcher but I get the impression that the coaching staff thought ford would be better than Spain but he hasn’t been. I don’t know if Spain is healthy but I wouldn’t be surprised to see boettger or Bates there this week instead Boettger has been hanging around for a little while. They like something in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: So for those who understand the X's and O's the trenches. How has Ford been at LG? Is losing him actually a loss or are we better with Spain? Assuming Spain is healthy this week. @GunnerBill @Alphadawg7 I would never have benched Spain so may not be the right person to ask. He didn't play great at Miami week 2 but he has not had many bad games here. I did think Ford might give us a bit better run push and his first game at left guard he actually had one of his better games as a pro.... but he has been poor for the last 3 weeks now. Not getting any push, inconsistent hand placement in his blocks.... meh. I think I prefer him at tackle..... although he is not currently the best right tackle on the roster. 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Boettger has been hanging around for a little while. They like something in him. Boettger seemed to do a nice job when he came in... though I've not been through the a22 yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Just now, GunnerBill said: I would never have benched Spain so may not be the right person to ask. He didn't play great at Miami week 2 but he has not had many bad games here. I did think Ford might give us a bit better run push and his first game at left guard he actually had one of his better games as a pro.... but he has been poor for the last 3 weeks now. Not getting any push, inconsistent hand placement in his blocks.... meh. I think I prefer him at tackle..... although he is not currently the best right tackle on the roster. Mongo would solidify the RG spot. Winters has been really bad from what I understand. Maybe if Spain can give us something at LG, we might be all right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Mongo would solidify the RG spot. Winters has been really bad from what I understand. Maybe if Spain can give us something at LG, we might be all right. Based on what I have seen it remains my view that Spain and Feliciano are the best guards on the roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Based on what I have seen it remains my view that Spain and Feliciano are the best guards on the roster. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Based on what I have seen it remains my view that Spain and Feliciano are the best guards on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Be nice to have Wyatt Teller on the roster about now. I always liked him. Terrific run blocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 On 10/20/2020 at 8:19 AM, H2o said: Hindsight is 20/20, but I would rather have Phillips and Lawson over Jefferson, Butler, and Addison. Addison has been fine. Jefferson has shown potential. Not sure on Butler. I need a bigger sample size. I see no reason that the defense wont turn it around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 On 10/20/2020 at 8:19 AM, H2o said: Hindsight is 20/20, but I would rather have Phillips and Lawson over Jefferson, Butler, and Addison. I disagree on Lawson over Addison but Phillips over Butler by a large margin. 1 hour ago, finn said: Be nice to have Wyatt Teller on the roster about now. I always liked him. Terrific run blocker. Trading Teller helped us get Diggs, personally I'll take Diggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: So for those who understand the X's and O's the trenches. How has Ford been at LG? Is losing him actually a loss or are we better with Spain? Assuming Spain is healthy this week. @GunnerBill @Alphadawg7 To be honest, I am not so sure the problem is specifically the personnel. I have personally hated the game plan and play calling the last 2 weeks Daboll has put together. We are often running out of unconventional formations. I feel like Daboll is being to cute with the run calls instead of committing to establishing the run game. Dont get me wrong, the OL has not done a good job at opening run lanes this year, so there is room for improvement there to say the least. But also, the run game has felt forced and full of over thinking to try and trick the defense. I would like to see more formations that are more conducive to successful run plays. But to go back to your question, I think Ford has been better at LG than he was at RT. But he also hasn't done as well as I had hoped. I can think of several occasions where I yelled F***ing Ford at the TV for example. Now we have released Spain, so the guard position is quite concerning again considering Ford may not be healthy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, High Football IQ said: The Ford injury is the biggest issue because he was already trending in the wrong direction as another high draft pick from this regime and it will be convenient to use injury as part of the excuse for his lack of development in year two. since he is trending down in your opinion , i might suggest the biggest issue is who starts at LG against the Jets. I Like Ike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: You didn’t ask me and I’m not a film watcher but I get the impression that the coaching staff thought ford would be better than Spain but he hasn’t been. I don’t know if Spain is healthy but I wouldn’t be surprised to see boettger or Bates there this week instead Guess that is off the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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