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15 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I could have sworn there were two punts. So odd my memory is that there were two punts in Q3.

 

There were 2 punts in Q3

1 by KC

1 by Buffalo

KC received the punt and kept the ball for a loooong drive ending in a TD

 

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27 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

There's a time element as well.  Yes, there were miscues on offense.  But the offense has to be given some time to score.  So yes, I blame the defense.  They had plenty of chances to end those long grinding drives and give our offense a chance, and they didn't.  Our offense really shouldn't be expected to sustain a long drive every time they get the ball.  We're not going to win if our defense can't get a high powered offense off the field a bit more than they did today.

 

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1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

Right there was a play where Mahomes ran where Hughes was looking in the exact opposite direction of Mahomes as he ran around the edge it was like what the hell are you doing he's behind you?


Yeah, been noticing that with Hughes.  Kind of like Mario Williams his last couple of seasons here.  Works to get around the tackle but he’d be 5 yards past the pocket.

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12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

 

The way I see it, "complementary football" means there are two sides to this

Yes, the offense could have sustained their first 2 drives in the 2nd half

 

Yes, the defense could have gotten a stop instead of allowing the Chiefs two long grinding scoring drives

 

They both had opportunities to change the fate of the game

They are both at fault

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5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The way I see it, "complementary football" means there are two sides to this

Yes, the offense could have sustained their first 2 drives in the 2nd half

 

Yes, the defense could have gotten a stop instead of allowing the Chiefs two long grinding scoring drives

 

They both had opportunities to change the fate of the game

They are both at fault

Complementary football to me means having a gameplan on both sides of the ball that support each other

 

If the defense is selling out to stop the pass and trading rushing yards/TOP for points, the offense needs to be able to score and sustain drives

 

IMO the defense did what they were asked to do, the offense did not hold up their end of the bargain. 

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2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

There is no analysis needed here. 

The Bills were physically beaten.  There is no scheme issue here.  It is a talent issue.  

We have talent galore

 

We lack physicality and size at the point of attack

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I'm ok with the game plan going into the game on the Defensive side of the football. Making halftime adjustments and the proper adjustments on the fly I think is a major part of the scheming/ coaching equation that needs to be rectified IMO.

 

Something I think Gu was kind enough to bring to the boards attention recently on the Bills 3rd quarter woes this season. I suppose one of the problems today as far as halftime adjustments is the strategy appeared to be working on the scoreboard.

 

Ugly game. On the bright side I think If Buffalo is able to get the D back on track I really don't believe we showed the Titans or KC what the Bills are really capable of in my humble opinion. We have seen this kind of meltdown before on D and McD has always managed to right the ship. I'm not sure McD and Frazier are on the same page right now.

 

If all goes well hopefully we will  get another crack at these guys post season IMO.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Mostly I agree with this.  But Josh and the offense need to get the ball for longer than a single 3-and-out (2:42 total) in the 3Q.  We didn't have "back to back punts" in the 3Q.  We had 1 punt, and that's the last time we saw the ball until the 4Q.

 

Part of that TOP is on the offense. Would be great if the D gave it back to them, but they didn’t. The staff was trying to get Josh going and he just couldn’t tonight. The 2 punts that @billsfan89 are s thinking of is because they punted like 30 seconds into the 4th...after absolutely dodging a bullet with an Offside call after not converting a 4th and 1. We would have lost the game right there if not for that flag. 

 

The way I look at this game when trying to figure out what went wrong is two things. 

 

1. How often will scoring 17 points beat Mahomes and the KC Chiefs? 

-Literally never. At least not to date. Mahomes has only score less than 20 points once in his NFL career. That was 2019 against the Colts. 

 

2. Which NFL defense can hold Mahomes to 16 points? 

- To date,  mone of them. And right now, nobody in the NFL is playing strong enough defense that I would put any money on it in 2020. 

 

So if no team has held Mahomes to 16, and scoring 17 is never good enough, why are we putting so much blame on a defense that kept us in the game most of the night? 

 

Don’t get me wrong the defense has been down right terrible this year. I am concerned. But they would have needed a relatively historical night to make up for the offense. Something they haven’t proven capable of in a while. 

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2 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Part of that TOP is on the offense. Would be great if the D gave it back to them, but they didn’t. The staff was trying to get Josh going and he just couldn’t tonight. The 2 punts that @billsfan89 are s thinking of is because they punted like 30 seconds into the 4th...after absolutely dodging a bullet with an Offside call after not converting a 4th and 1. We would have lost the game right there if not for that flag. 

 

The way I look at this game when trying to figure out what went wrong is two things. 

 

1. How often will scoring 17 points beat Mahomes and the KC Chiefs? 

-Literally never. At least not to date. Mahomes has only score less than 20 points once in his NFL career. That was 2019 against the Colts. 

 

2. Which NFL defense can hold Mahomes to 16 points? 

- To date,  mone of them. And right now, nobody in the NFL is playing strong enough defense that I would put any money on it in 2020. 

 

So if no team has held Mahomes to 16, and scoring 17 is never good enough, why are we putting so much blame on a defense that kept us in the game most of the night? 

 

Don’t get me wrong the defense has been down right terrible this year. I am concerned. But they would have needed a relatively historical night to make up for the offense. Something they haven’t proven capable of in a while. 

 

The defense just looked like they got dominated despite the 26 points not being tragic. Honestly I think the defense can get it in gear if they add a big run stuffing DT and get Milano and Levi back. I think they also need a big time DE but that's unlikely to happen. 

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20 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Part of that TOP is on the offense. Would be great if the D gave it back to them, but they didn’t. The staff was trying to get Josh going and he just couldn’t tonight. The 2 punts that @billsfan89 are s thinking of is because they punted like 30 seconds into the 4th...after absolutely dodging a bullet with an Offside call after not converting a 4th and 1. We would have lost the game right there if not for that flag. 

 

The way I look at this game when trying to figure out what went wrong is two things. 

 

1. How often will scoring 17 points beat Mahomes and the KC Chiefs? 

-Literally never. At least not to date. Mahomes has only score less than 20 points once in his NFL career. That was 2019 against the Colts. 

 

2. Which NFL defense can hold Mahomes to 16 points? 

- To date,  mone of them. And right now, nobody in the NFL is playing strong enough defense that I would put any money on it in 2020. 

 

So if no team has held Mahomes to 16, and scoring 17 is never good enough, why are we putting so much blame on a defense that kept us in the game most of the night? 

 

Don’t get me wrong the defense has been down right terrible this year. I am concerned. But they would have needed a relatively historical night to make up for the offense. Something they haven’t proven capable of in a while. 

Actually I feel like just the one forced fumble that was reversed and take away the stupid sidelines BS on two plays it might have been enough IMO. So when it comes right down to it the Buffalo Bills almost beat KC in its worst game of the season.

 

Myself personally, regardless of what Terry Bradshaw and Troy Aikman have to say I'm not worried about Josh Allen and the O provided the Oline continues to do its job in pass protection.

 

Bradshaw can kiss my you know what...

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17 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

We have talent galore

 

We lack physicality and size at the point of attack

White, Hyde, Poyer, and Milano.  Where else is the talent on D?  Hughes got old fast. Edmunds is a bust or he is really more hurt than we know.  Oliver is not a bust yet but he is not getting better.  

 

But you are spot on that they lack physicality and size too.  I don't care what the roster lists for height/weight, they just look smaller than comparable defenses in the league.  

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43 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

We have talent galore

 

We lack physicality and size at the point of attack

 I think this is a very important observation.  Getting blown off the line of scrimmage regardless of whats behind it is not going to end well when you have a back like Derrick Henry coming at you with a full head of steam.

 

Locomotive breath...

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Figster said:

 I think this is a very important observation.  Getting blown off the line of scrimmage regardless of whats behind it is not going to end well when you have a back like Derrick Henry coming at you with a full head of steam.

 

Locomotive breath...

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Figster said:

 I think this is a very important observation.  Getting blown off the line of scrimmage regardless of whats behind it is not going to end well when you have a back like Derrick Henry coming at you with a full head of steam.

 

Locomotive breath...

 

 

It goes for the offensive line too

 

We are built for finesse and speed at this point. The playcalling on both sides of the ball needs to reflect it or we will continue seeing these schizophrenic performances.

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1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Complementary football to me means having a gameplan on both sides of the ball that support each other

 

If the defense is selling out to stop the pass and trading rushing yards/TOP for points, the offense needs to be able to score and sustain drives

 

IMO the defense did what they were asked to do, the offense did not hold up their end of the bargain. 

 

Completely agree. The defensive gameplan was not pretty to watch but it did get Mahomes off the field scoreless 3 of the first 6 times he possessed the ball and hold one of the best offenses in the league to 26.

 

The offense did not come to play. Didn't love the gameplan, it was the oline's worst pass blocking day, our running backs his the hole about as fast as a teenager gets out of bed, Diggs apart we seemed to struggle for separation and it was Josh's worst game of the year. All that added together made for a disappointing night. 17 points is NOT getting it done against Kansas City. 

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8 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I mean to be fair we were a stop away on that last FG drive from having a real shot at this game.

It's a game of inches. If that ball comes out a quarter of a second earlier, before his knee touches the ground, we have the ball at the 30, down 6 with a shot to take the lead, after Josh had just run us down the field to score.

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Here was Daboll’s play calling during the critical 3Q possession, down 20-10:

 

2 Yard Run

(1:18) Z.Moss right tackle to BUF 27 for 2 yards (D.Wilson).

1st & 10 at BUF 25

 

7 Yard Pass

(:43) (Shotgun) J.Allen pass short right to T.Kroft to BUF 34 for 7 yards (C.Ward).

2nd & 8 at BUF 27

 

Run for No Gain

(15:00) Z.Moss up the middle to BUF 34 for no gain (A.Hitchens, D.Wilson).

3rd & 1 at BUF 34
 

I would add that the first down run was out of I-formation.  Needing to get his offense on track in the second half, and after a halftime break to make “adjustments,” Brian “the Brain” Daboll thought it would be a good idea to run out of a formation that the Bills don’t do well in, handing to a rookie who has shown a complete inability to make plays.  The next play was a short completion to a slow-footed tight end, followed by another inept handoff to “Skates” Moss (who sucks, by the way).

 

Brian Daboll is bad at his job.

 

 

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8 hours ago, Mango said:


It actually sounds like they thought the offense would be at least competent. If we could have gotten Allen’s production vs. the Titans in this game, it would have been a lopsided victory. 
 

The goal sounds like it was to keep it under 30.

 

You mean 2 TD, 2 int.  16 points?

 

His "production" was a byproduct of a TOP (38 to 22 min) so lopsided because this Defensive "game plan" allowed for the D to not get off the field.

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