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Show me another NFL defense where You can remove their best player and starting corner, other starting corner, best coverage linebacker, make the middle linebacker play one armed and still play the at same level with replacements.


 

Now add Tennessee Scoring drive starting positions:

BUF 16 Andre Roberts assist then huge runback 

BUF30 awful punt coverage, 3rd and 20 convert

TEN10 questionable Norman DPI on 3rd and 4 

BUF12 stupid josh int then 68 yard return

TEN25 got them to third down 3 times!

BUF18 AR fumble, D got them to 4th down 
 

that is 4 gifted scoring drives. You wouldn’t know it, but bills defense forced titans into 3 punts. Bills only punted twice.  
 

two huge INT returns and horrid special teams made it an easy Tennessee win. 

 

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14 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Show me another NFL defense where You can remove their best player and starting corner, other starting corner, best coverage linebacker, make the middle linebacker play one armed and still play the at same level with replacements.


 

Now add Tennessee Scoring drive starting positions:

BUF 16 

BUF30

TEN10

BUF12

TEN25

BUF18
 

that is 4 gifted scoring drives. You wouldn’t know it, but bills defense forced titans into 3 punts. Bills only punted twice.  
 

two huge INT returns and horrid special teams made it an easy Tennessee win. 

 

Do you happen to have Bills starting positions?

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3 minutes ago, billsherd said:

Do you happen to have Bills starting positions?


BUF 30 looks like their best. 10, 9, 24, 25.... nothing even close 

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Josh Allen and Corey Bojorquez had the same number of tackles as Jones, Klein, Williams, Marlowe, Matakevich, Johnson, Epenesa, Philips and Oliver.  Think about that a bit.

 

Taiwan Jones 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
A.J. Klein 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Daryl Williams 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Dean Marlowe 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Tyler Matakevich 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Josh Allen 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Darryl Johnson 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Corey Bojorquez 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
AJ Epenesa 1 1 0 1 0 0 0
Harrison Phillips 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Ed Oliver 1 0 0 0 0 0 0

 

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26 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Show me another NFL defense where You can remove their best player and starting corner, other starting corner, best coverage linebacker, make the middle linebacker play one armed and still play the at same level with replacements.


 

Now add Tennessee Scoring drive starting positions:

BUF 16 Andre Roberts assist then huge runback 

BUF30 awful punt coverage, 3rd and 20 convert

TEN10 questionable Norman DPI on 3rd and 4 

BUF12 stupid josh int then 68 yard return

TEN25 got them to third down 3 times!

BUF18 AR fumble, D got them to 4th down 
 

that is 4 gifted scoring drives. You wouldn’t know it, but bills defense forced titans into 3 punts. Bills only punted twice.  
 

two huge INT returns and horrid special teams made it an easy Tennessee win. 

 

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16 hours ago, Azucho98 said:

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Wish upon a Star that someone will figure this mess out...?  The D-line has been really bad. BTW, nobody NOBODY could be as bad as Eddie Robinson.

Isn't it ironic that last season people were complaining that Star didn't make many splash plays or tackles for that matter. Some people would try to tell them last year that he occupied blockers and did it unselfishly. Now people are saying we really miss Star.

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37 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Show me another NFL defense where You can remove their best player and starting corner, other starting corner, best coverage linebacker, make the middle linebacker play one armed and still play the at same level with replacements.


 

Now add Tennessee Scoring drive starting positions:

BUF 16 Andre Roberts assist then huge runback 

BUF30 awful punt coverage, 3rd and 20 convert

TEN10 questionable Norman DPI on 3rd and 4 

BUF12 stupid josh int then 68 yard return

TEN25 got them to third down 3 times!

BUF18 AR fumble, D got them to 4th down 
 

that is 4 gifted scoring drives. You wouldn’t know it, but bills defense forced titans into 3 punts. Bills only punted twice.  
 

two huge INT returns and horrid special teams made it an easy Tennessee win. 

 

 

Agree with this. The Bills D was not good but it got no help from the offense and special teams last night. Total team loss. On every player and every coach.

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Injuries aside:

 

For me, the devil is in the playcallling.  Either the defense runs a script too long or Edmunds isn't making the best play call he could.  There's something going on there.  The script last night was built to stop Henry, and while they did that, it let the Titans passing game run wild.   I don't think Edmunds should be in charge of managing the calls for the defense on the field.  I think he's too young, and since he got that responsibility, he plays with hesitation.  He plays so much better without that hesitation.  

 

The pass rush is predictable. You see precious few shifts, stunts, spy blitz or sending anyone but the line.  I don't know why the Bills treated Tannehill like Aaron Rodgers (who can sniff a blitz before you think it) last night.  

 

 

 

 

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50 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Isn't it ironic that last season people were complaining that Star didn't make many splash plays or tackles for that matter. Some people would try to tell them last year that he occupied blockers and did it unselfishly. Now people are saying we really miss Star.


Lorax specifically named him as a guy doing a great job up front. It was all I needed to hear 

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Many are overlooking the fact they played a lot of bad teams with bad QBs last season. They have been playing better QBs and better offenses so far and it shows. 

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2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Show me another NFL defense where You can remove their best player and starting corner, other starting corner, best coverage linebacker, make the middle linebacker play one armed and still play the at same level with replacements.


 

Now add Tennessee Scoring drive starting positions:

BUF 16 Andre Roberts assist then huge runback 

BUF30 awful punt coverage, 3rd and 20 convert

TEN10 questionable Norman DPI on 3rd and 4 

BUF12 stupid josh int then 68 yard return

TEN25 got them to third down 3 times!

BUF18 AR fumble, D got them to 4th down 
 

that is 4 gifted scoring drives. You wouldn’t know it, but bills defense forced titans into 3 punts. Bills only punted twice.  
 

two huge INT returns and horrid special teams made it an easy Tennessee win. 

 

Yes, the O did not help. But you have to be honest that this D has been struggling all season. They have gone through stretches in every game that they cannot stop a thing. They just went 6 quarters in which the other team never punted and the Raiders only punted once. So two full games with 1 punt... Look at the drives logs for games since 2nd half of MIA. We are not stopping anyone. 

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34 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Many are overlooking the fact they played a lot of bad teams with bad QBs last season. They have been playing better QBs and better offenses so far and it shows. 


Which is extremely worrisome in terms of them playing at a respectable level this year.  
 

Gone are any illusions I have of them being a Top 5 unit, but they are legitimately one of the 5 worst defenses in the NFL through 5 weeks if we acknowledge how bad the Jets offense is. 
 

Between the easy schedule our defense faced last year and the low key rule changes that put defenses at a bigger disadvantage, I don’t see where “the fix” comes from.  
 

Tightening the rotation is a good start.  Getting healthy is needed.  However, whatever we’re doing on 3rd down needs to change... the defense tires themselves out, while giving up long drives and points... it’s the worst case scenario for a defense. 

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2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Show me another NFL defense where You can remove their best player and starting corner, other starting corner, best coverage linebacker, make the middle linebacker play one armed and still play the at same level with replacements.


 

Now add Tennessee Scoring drive starting positions:

BUF 16 Andre Roberts assist then huge runback 

BUF30 awful punt coverage, 3rd and 20 convert

TEN10 questionable Norman DPI on 3rd and 4 

BUF12 stupid josh int then 68 yard return

TEN25 got them to third down 3 times!

BUF18 AR fumble, D got them to 4th down 
 

that is 4 gifted scoring drives. You wouldn’t know it, but bills defense forced titans into 3 punts. Bills only punted twice.  
 

two huge INT returns and horrid special teams made it an easy Tennessee win. 

 

If their MLB is “playing one armed” sit him down..... because he’s one of the worst players on the defense right now..... understood that would’ve been hard for them yesterday with Milano out and thin depth at LB, but if Edmunds is really hurting and Milano is back next week perhaps sitting him down and letting him watch and heal so he doesn’t look lost is a good idea? 
 

And take a look at the Patriots.... they have practice squad guys out there and they are still performing at a solid level defensively. Hell even the Titans with all their players with COVID..... it speaks to the bad job this regime has done with depth/surrounding our core players, IMO.

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My fear is that if Epenesa cannot beat out Trent Murphy is he going to be even a solid player? Epenesa seems to have a nice burst and his ability to win with his arm length and hands is a big advantage considering O-Lines are holding like crazy. I would like to see Epenesa get a lot more playing time.

 

 

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5 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Isn't it ironic that last season people were complaining that Star didn't make many splash plays or tackles for that matter. Some people would try to tell them last year that he occupied blockers and did it unselfishly. Now people are saying we really miss Star.

Reminds me of that song "don't know what you got till its gone".  LOL

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3 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

My fear is that if Epenesa cannot beat out Trent Murphy is he going to be even a solid player? Epenesa seems to have a nice burst and his ability to win with his arm length and hands is a big advantage considering O-Lines are holding like crazy. I would like to see Epenesa get a lot more playing time.

 

 


The fact that Epenesa hasn’t beaten out Murphy is a testament to how disappointing he is. Murphy is terrible. 

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6 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Show me another NFL defense where You can remove their best player and starting corner, other starting corner, best coverage linebacker, make the middle linebacker play one armed and still play the at same level with replacements.


 

Now add Tennessee Scoring drive starting positions:

BUF 16 Andre Roberts assist then huge runback 

BUF30 awful punt coverage, 3rd and 20 convert

TEN10 questionable Norman DPI on 3rd and 4 

BUF12 stupid josh int then 68 yard return

TEN25 got them to third down 3 times!

BUF18 AR fumble, D got them to 4th down 
 

that is 4 gifted scoring drives. You wouldn’t know it, but bills defense forced titans into 3 punts. Bills only punted twice.  
 

two huge INT returns and horrid special teams made it an easy Tennessee win. 

 

Show me another defense that looks good playing mediocre offenses one season and good offenses the next. I think many have overlooked how easy the schedule and the teams offense they played last season. 

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9 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

Show me another defense that looks good playing mediocre offenses one season and good offenses the next. I think many have overlooked how easy the schedule and the teams offense they played last season. 


I know this narrative is popular but not entirely accurate:

 

Dallas was 1, Ravens 2, then they play the 12,13th, 14th and 15th twice in total offense. If you go by points for Dallas drops a few pegs but the breakdown is similar. Only one team got more than 24 on them All year. 

 

they were good last year. 

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It’s not hard to figure out. Tuesday night the Bills were without their two starting cornerbacks, one and a half starting linebackers (Edmunds has to be injured) and last year’s starting nose tackle. That’s all three levels of the defense! It’s literally HALF of last year’s starting roster. 

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