Captain Caveman Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Not sure if this is gonna turn into the overall officiating thread, but they also missed an elbow to Kroft's head on the phantom interception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 25 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: The point is it a penalty because it is a dangerous play. Please tell me the announcers made up that comment? Also thank you Mike Pereira for telling them that final PI call was correct, where again the announcers tried to convince fans it was the wrong call!!! That is correct. The Steelers suggested changing the rule, but the rest of the NFL did not agree. So cannot call horse collar on a RB in the tackle box or a QB in the pocket. That was the correct no call. https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/horse-collar/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomicpwrd Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, Maynard said: So what do you guys think about the PI? I’m arguing with folks that it indeed was and they saying it was BS! that was absolutely not an interception - its probably one of the worst calls I have ever seen. Kroft caught the ball clean and controlled it the entire time. If the defender gets his hands on it, it is a tie which always favors the offense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, atomicpwrd said: that was absolutely not an interception - its probably one of the worst calls I have ever seen. Kroft caught the ball clean and controlled it the entire time. If the defender gets his hands on it, it is a tie which always favors the offense. I’m talking the pass interference call, not the interception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I just hope the players and coaches can learn from all those 2nd half mistakes , they were scary bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomicpwrd Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Maynard said: I’m talking the pass interference call, not the interception. Oh...sorry. I am still in awe of the interception call...lol. The PI was very close and I thought it was subjective, but the retired ref on TV agreed with the call. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Also on the horse collar - I understand Josh being upset, but he should know the rules enough to not get called for that Unsportsmanlike. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 32 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I had to look this one up, because it makes no sense to me that a defender is allowed to horse collar a QB if they are in the pocket. https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/horse-collar/#:~:text=Rule Summary View Official Rule&text=No player shall grab the,who is in the pocket. No player shall grab the inside collar of the back or the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, or grab the jersey at the name plate or above, and pull the runner toward the ground. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a quarterback who is in the pocket. They got it right. No idea why the rule is written that way In a league so hell bent on protecting QB's I have no idea why the QB is an exception for this. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Just now, atomicpwrd said: Oh...sorry. I am still in awe of the interception call...lol. The PI was very close and I thought it was subjective, but the retired ref on TV agreed with the call. 🙂 Oh yeah, couldn’t believe the interception call! Total BS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 It’s stupid not to make it a penalty within the tacklebox/in the pocket. The object is to prevent injury. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DQW87 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 It's kind of a crazy rule for a league trying its hardest to protect QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 34 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I had to look this one up, because it makes no sense to me that a defender is allowed to horse collar a QB if they are in the pocket. https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/horse-collar/#:~:text=Rule Summary View Official Rule&text=No player shall grab the,who is in the pocket. No player shall grab the inside collar of the back or the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, or grab the jersey at the name plate or above, and pull the runner toward the ground. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a quarterback who is in the pocket. They got it right. No idea why the rule is written that way I think its because DL engaged with OL reaches to grab a RB at the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I still thought I saw a facemask pull on the horsecollar play. Did anyone get a chance to rewatch that play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 What a weird exception to the rule. If I had to guess I would assume the reason it's like that is because sacks are big impact plays and league wants as many of them as possible to stand for marketing purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 Horse Collar This is a type of tackle in football in which one player grabs another player’s shoulder pads or jersey from the back before pulling them down to the ground. Due to the increased risk of injury, this tackle results in a 15-yard personal foul in the NFL and NCAA. This penalty is also known as the “Roy Williams Rule” due to the defensive player’s history of injuring opponents through horse collar tackles. But if in the tackle box it is okay to injure????🤣😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: But if in the tackle box it is okay to injure????🤣😜 In the tackle box, guys aren't running top speed with full strides, which is where the knee injuries always occurred on those tackles. If anybody can find a single instance of a guy getting hurt by a horsecollar inside the tackle box I will sand corrected, but I cant think of one right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merle Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Maynard said: So what do you guys think about the PI? I’m arguing with folks that it indeed was and they saying it was BS! At the very least, it was a pretty "ticky-tacky" call, and one you wouldn't normally expect to be made at that point in the game (at least, in the "old days") ... especially if it favored the Bills! It's hard not to think that at least part of that was a "make-up call" for the absolutely bogus INT earlier. Edited September 27, 2020 by Merle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 57 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I had to look this one up, because it makes no sense to me that a defender is allowed to horse collar a QB if they are in the pocket. https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/horse-collar/#:~:text=Rule Summary View Official Rule&text=No player shall grab the,who is in the pocket. No player shall grab the inside collar of the back or the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, or grab the jersey at the name plate or above, and pull the runner toward the ground. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a quarterback who is in the pocket. They got it right. No idea why the rule is written that way It has always been the rule. So many fans seem.to watch the game oblivious to rules of the game. I knew instantly that wasn't a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, Simon said: In the tackle box, guys aren't running top speed with full strides, which is where the knee injuries always occurred on those tackles. If anybody can find a single instance of a guy getting hurt by a horsecollar inside the tackle box I will sand corrected, but I cant think of one right now. Not always running at top speed. The point is it should not be a judgement call as it is a penalty due to it being a dangerous play. Being in the box or out should have no bearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: The point is it should not be a judgement call as it is a penalty due to it being a dangerous play. Being in the box or out should have no bearing. I just don't think it's a particularly dangerous play when the guy getting dragged down is almost stationary. But in the interests of consistency, yeah it should probably be a penalty everywhere or nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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