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Allen 11 games in: 68.8%% comp, 7.8 YPA, 102.3 Passer Rating, 29 TDs, 13 TOs (Chargers talk starts pg 22)

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20 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

They need D-line help...


It’s an offensive league, and we have Star coming back next year.   That’s basically a pseudo-FA signing to help with the run game.   
 

With Poyer at S, White at CB, Edmunds at LB and Oliver on the DL, we have enough young talent at each level of the defense to fill in around them.  
 

Protect and elevate Allen with the Top 64 picks.  

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Cowherd is really all over the place. He loves Miami. I was surprised he has the Bills one spot ahead of the Fins in his rankings after he spent the last two weeks saying he would "take Miami over Buffalo today". What changed? Did he expect the Fins to handle the Chargers better or did he not expect the Bills to keep pace or outplay the Cardinals? Neither the Fins or Bills games last weekend were really anything unexpecting. 

 

He doesn't really ever say anything bad about Allen anymore. What I do notice is he will often just keep him out of the discussion of good young QB's. So then we don't know if his mind is simply slipping and he honestly forgets about Allen or if he purposefully does not include him. It was just last week before the Cards game he mentioned every good and/or promising young QB except for Allen. Mahomes, Watson, Jackson, Murray, Herbert, Burrow and Tua. Honest mistake or deliberate? 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Protect and elevate Allen with the Top 64 picks.  

 

I think it is also obvious too that John Brown's best day's are behind him. He's had a rough year with injuries and you don't typically get healthier as you get further into your 30's in the NFL. And being a speed guy and not necessarily a precise route runner guy like Beasley any drop in horsepower could have a larger decline in production for Brown. Beasley is having a career year but he'll be 32 at the start of next season. Given the age of both Brown and Beasley they would be wise to either sign another younger veteran in the 28-29 year range like when we signed Brown and Beasley two years ago or draft a rookie. Davis has been promising this year for a rookie but he doesn't really run the same routes Brown and Beasley do. 

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15 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

I think it is also obvious too that John Brown's best day's are behind him. He's had a rough year with injuries and you don't typically get healthier as you get further into your 30's in the NFL. And being a speed guy and not necessarily a precise route runner guy like Beasley any drop in horsepower could have a larger decline in production for Brown. Beasley is having a career year but he'll be 32 at the start of next season. Given the age of both Brown and Beasley they would be wise to either sign another younger veteran in the 28-29 year range like when we signed Brown and Beasley two years ago or draft a rookie. Davis has been promising this year for a rookie but he doesn't really run the same routes Brown and Beasley do. 


Could not agree more.   We have the elitist of the elite arms in the NFL... speed at WR should be paramount to this offense.  ....and clearly it is, we look like an offensive juggernaut with a healthy Brown.   The fall off is evident without him.  
 

Ive been pounding the table for a speed WR in the 1st Round.  Let him develop behind/with Brown next year.   
 

If anything has become abundantly clear, on offense, it’s that if we give Allen speed on the outside, there will be fireworks.  
 

Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Davis & a speed WR.  If they want to keep Roberts, I’m fine with it.  The draft pick can take McKenzie’s jet sweeps.  
 

 

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9 minutes ago, SCBills said:


Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Davis & a speed WR.  If they want to keep Roberts, I’m fine with it.  The draft pick can take McKenzie’s jet sweeps.  

 

 

I also wouldn't discount free agency for the speed role. It would be nice to get a finished product rather than a rookie. And we don't need a big time all-pro talent since we already have that guy in Diggs. Just a one trick pony type. And for once we have a QB and offense that might actually be seen as a desirable destination for a free agent WR looking to get some stats. 

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55 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Cowherd is really all over the place. He loves Miami. I was surprised he has the Bills one spot ahead of the Fins in his rankings after he spent the last two weeks saying he would "take Miami over Buffalo today". What changed? Did he expect the Fins to handle the Chargers better or did he not expect the Bills to keep pace or outplay the Cardinals? Neither the Fins or Bills games last weekend were really anything unexpecting. 

 

He doesn't really ever say anything bad about Allen anymore. What I do notice is he will often just keep him out of the discussion of good young QB's. So then we don't know if his mind is simply slipping and he honestly forgets about Allen or if he purposefully does not include him. It was just last week before the Cards game he mentioned every good and/or promising young QB except for Allen. Mahomes, Watson, Jackson, Murray, Herbert, Burrow and Tua. Honest mistake or deliberate?

 

I'm not sure it's "deliberate" in the sense of "I know - I'll avoid any mention of Allen".  I don't think his mind is slipping, either.

 

I think it reflects his personal perception that he really doesn't think Allen is a talented, promising young QB. 

 

He can no longer say bad things about a guy who is currently top-10 in pretty much every category for which you can rank a QB, but Allen is just not on his radar as a promising talent.

 

I think Aikman is the same way - on TNF was taking about "Diggs great reception" and "Murray's great pass to Hopkins" to end the game.  It's not that he's deliberately setting out to diss Allen (I think), it's just that Allen simply isn't on his radar as a promising QB who deserves props.

 

Edit: maybe this seems like a distinction without a difference?  The difference to me is between a mindset of "I don't like that Allen guy so I'm not going to mention him" vs an unconscious "let me see - rising stars at QB, who comes to mind?"

 

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42 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

I think it is also obvious too that John Brown's best day's are behind him. He's had a rough year with injuries and you don't typically get healthier as you get further into your 30's in the NFL. And being a speed guy and not necessarily a precise route runner guy like Beasley any drop in horsepower could have a larger decline in production for Brown. Beasley is having a career year but he'll be 32 at the start of next season. Given the age of both Brown and Beasley they would be wise to either sign another younger veteran in the 28-29 year range like when we signed Brown and Beasley two years ago or draft a rookie. Davis has been promising this year for a rookie but he doesn't really run the same routes Brown and Beasley do. 

 

What younger vet in the 28-29 yr range do you have in mind?

 

I dunno about Brown.  He had two strong years, then his production fell off big time in AZ and they moved on.  So it's been a pattern even when he was younger to have a great year then the next year to be plagued by injuries, and he did come back from it. 

 

I think it's possible that the sickle-cell trait he carries makes it harder for him to recover and heal up from injuries during the season, so it's just kind of going to be a matter of chance whether he gets dinged early enough to hurt his production.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

I also wouldn't discount free agency for the speed role. It would be nice to get a finished product rather than a rookie. And we don't need a big time all-pro talent since we already have that guy in Diggs. Just a one trick pony type. And for once we have a QB and offense that might actually be seen as a desirable destination for a free agent WR looking to get some stats. 


I just don’t know how $$$ shakes out this offseason.  My top two priorities are resigning Feliciano and Williams.   Depending on where the cap is set, we probably cut Butler, let Murphy walk and potentially let Milano walk to even make those two signings fit.   
 

4 years of cap controlled speed/talent at WR, with a 5th year option, is the way I’d go while we still have Brown under contract for ‘21.  
 

That guy is going to come into as good of a WR room as there is in the NFL to learn from Hall and the vets.

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9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think it's possible that the sickle-cell trait he carries makes it harder for him to recover and heal up from injuries during the season, so it's just kind of going to be a matter of chance whether he gets dinged early enough to hurt his production.

 

 

He is a vet who would have been helped a lot by the training and health care staff which are one of the top ones in NFL during off-season but time was shortened due to COVID.

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On 11/21/2020 at 6:51 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm not sure it's "deliberate" in the sense of "I know - I'll avoid any mention of Allen".  I don't think his mind is slipping, either.

 

I think it reflects his personal perception that he really doesn't think Allen is a talented, promising young QB. 

 

He can no longer say bad things about a guy who is currently top-10 in pretty much every category for which you can rank a QB, but Allen is just not on his radar as a promising talent.

 

I think Aikman is the same way - on TNF was taking about "Diggs great reception" and "Murray's great pass to Hopkins" to end the game.  It's not that he's deliberately setting out to diss Allen (I think), it's just that Allen simply isn't on his radar as a promising QB who deserves props.

 

Edit: maybe this seems like a distinction without a difference?  The difference to me is between a mindset of "I don't like that Allen guy so I'm not going to mention him" vs an unconscious "let me see - rising stars at QB, who comes to mind?"

 

 

Yes. Agree with pretty much all of this based on what I hear from Cowherd.

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On 11/21/2020 at 9:55 AM, BigDingus said:

Despite the setbacks & reappearance of some bad habits in recent weeks, I still like what I've seen of Allen in year 3.

The one thing I'd like to see improved is his ability to drop back, make a decision & release the ball in a timely manner. No running around, no sitting back perusing the field, just 5 step drop & sling it.

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You will never get that from Josh.  He is wired differently and ti doesn't make sense to make him be different.   Go Bills

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On 11/19/2020 at 10:47 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think that is fair to say.... he has talked about the Bills and Josh a fair bit this year and he has been like Cowherd always is... a bit extreme in his up and downs. He said it Monday I think. Maybe outplayed was an exaggeration but he basically said our drive was an offense moving and the QB on point and theirs was an elite player making an elite play (meaning Hopkins). 

 

As if on cue, Cowherd had his "Herd Hierarchy" yesterday and again put the Bills at #5.  He spoke almost entirely about our Defense and then at the end said (this is fairly close to a direct quote) "Their QB worries me.  Turns the ball over too much.  But he's an INCREDIBLE athlete."

 

Allen has rushed for 75 yards combined in the last 3 weeks.  What he's done this year is win games with his arm.  It seems clear Cowherd is just waiting to pounce when Allen has a "typical Allen game" as defined widely by the media over the last few years.

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17 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

As if on cue, Cowherd had his "Herd Hierarchy" yesterday and again put the Bills at #5.  He spoke almost entirely about our Defense and then at the end said (this is fairly close to a direct quote) "Their QB worries me.  Turns the ball over too much.  But he's an INCREDIBLE athlete."

 

 

Well you have made the middle bit of that quote up. He said nothing about him turning it over too much. He said "the Quarterback worries me AT TIMES, but he's a hell of an athlete." 

 

Now you might say that is criticism. I say that is pretty fair. Josh had a couple of bad games in there.... Arizona for the most part was one. Now if there is a Cowherd thing this week where I thought he was low on Josh it was his list of 6 or 7 teams who are completely all in on their Quarterback and he didn't have the Bills on the list. Not sure if he just forgot them or he doesn't believe the Bills are all in but if he doesn't he is wrong. The Bills are all in on Allen at this point and will extend him this offseason.

 

He is not an Allen hater and has praised him plenty of times this year. He isn't Chris Simms level in love with Allen is what you actually mean. But to say anyone who isn't there is a hater is incorrect.

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On 11/21/2020 at 11:04 AM, SCBills said:


It’s an offensive league, and we have Star coming back next year.   That’s basically a pseudo-FA signing to help with the run game.   
 

With Poyer at S, White at CB, Edmunds at LB and Oliver on the DL, we have enough young talent at each level of the defense to fill in around them.  
 

Protect and elevate Allen with the Top 64 picks.  

I like the Steelers approach to building teams.. Good QB, good OL, RB by committee and terrific front seven.. they’ve pretty much always kept it the same way.. I think Josh Allen would be deadly if he had a team like that around him..

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On 11/21/2020 at 4:51 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm not sure it's "deliberate" in the sense of "I know - I'll avoid any mention of Allen".  I don't think his mind is slipping, either.

 

I think it reflects his personal perception that he really doesn't think Allen is a talented, promising young QB. 

 

He can no longer say bad things about a guy who is currently top-10 in pretty much every category for which you can rank a QB, but Allen is just not on his radar as a promising talent.

 

I think Aikman is the same way - on TNF was taking about "Diggs great reception" and "Murray's great pass to Hopkins" to end the game.  It's not that he's deliberately setting out to diss Allen (I think), it's just that Allen simply isn't on his radar as a promising QB who deserves props.

 

Edit: maybe this seems like a distinction without a difference?  The difference to me is between a mindset of "I don't like that Allen guy so I'm not going to mention him" vs an unconscious "let me see - rising stars at QB, who comes to mind?"

 

 

He did mention him last week in exactly that way. Think it was Drew Lock he was talking about and he said "he isn't Mahomes, he isn't Murray, he isn't Josh Allen." I don't think he thinks Allen is a star in the way we do but I don't think he is as down on him as people think. I have heard him at least twice say he thinks he was wrong on him coming out. 

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39 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Well you have made the middle bit of that quote up. He said nothing about him turning it over too much. He said "the Quarterback worries me AT TIMES, but he's a hell of an athlete." 

 

Thanks for correcting me.

 

I heard it yesterday and wanted to post it when I heard it.  Figured a day would distort that memory.

 

39 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Now you might say that is criticism. I say that is pretty fair. Josh had a couple of bad games in there.... Arizona for the most part was one. Now if there is a Cowherd thing this week where I thought he was low on Josh it was his list of 6 or 7 teams who are completely all in on their Quarterback and he didn't have the Bills on the list. Not sure if he just forgot them or he doesn't believe the Bills are all in but if he doesn't he is wrong. The Bills are all in on Allen at this point and will extend him this offseason.

 

Ahhh yeah thanks for bringing that one up.  Heard that, too.  Who were the teams on his list again?  I think I remember Seattle, San Diego, Kansas City... ?

 

39 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He is not an Allen hater and has praised him plenty of times this year. He isn't Chris Simms level in love with Allen is what you actually mean. But to say anyone who isn't there is a hater is incorrect.

 

I do still disagree to a degree.  As @Hapless Bills Fan kinda insinuated earlier, "hater" may be too harsh a word but my impression is he doesn't like Allen but can't get away with criticizing a young top 10 QB at this point... so he's got his criticism in a box for now.

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On November 21, 2020 at 11:05 AM, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Cowherd is really all over the place. He loves Miami. I was surprised he has the Bills one spot ahead of the Fins in his rankings after he spent the last two weeks saying he would "take Miami over Buffalo today". What changed? Did he expect the Fins to handle the Chargers better or did he not expect the Bills to keep pace or outplay the Cardinals? Neither the Fins or Bills games last weekend were really anything unexpecting. 

 

He doesn't really ever say anything bad about Allen anymore. What I do notice is he will often just keep him out of the discussion of good young QB's. So then we don't know if his mind is simply slipping and he honestly forgets about Allen or if he purposefully does not include him. It was just last week before the Cards game he mentioned every good and/or promising young QB except for Allen. Mahomes, Watson, Jackson, Murray, Herbert, Burrow and Tua. Honest mistake or deliberate? 

 

 

That Nick Wright character is a huge joke. I think he hates on Josh Allen because he sees so much of Mahomes level talent from him. Wright is a Mahomes jock sniffer

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1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Ahhh yeah thanks for bringing that one up.  Heard that, too.  Who were the teams on his list again?  I think I remember Seattle, San Diego, Kansas City... ?

 

Yea KC, Seattle, Houston, both LAs and Arizona I think. 

 

I think the Rams might surprise people a bit but I 100% agree with him they are absolutely all in on Goff they love him in that building more than most outside observers. I do think the Bills are on that list though. The Bills are all in on Allen.

 

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7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

As if on cue, Cowherd had his "Herd Hierarchy" yesterday and again put the Bills at #5.  He spoke almost entirely about our Defense and then at the end said (this is fairly close to a direct quote) "Their QB worries me.  Turns the ball over too much.  But he's an INCREDIBLE athlete."

 

Allen has rushed for 75 yards combined in the last 3 weeks.  What he's done this year is win games with his arm.  It seems clear Cowherd is just waiting to pounce when Allen has a "typical Allen game" as defined widely by the media over the last few years.

 

I did not know lemmings come in herds. :devil:

 

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Note: Lemmings do not jump off cliffs to commit suicide and they do travel in herds.

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On 11/21/2020 at 11:04 AM, SCBills said:


It’s an offensive league, and we have Star coming back next year.   That’s basically a pseudo-FA signing to help with the run game.   
 

With Poyer at S, White at CB, Edmunds at LB and Oliver on the DL, we have enough young talent at each level of the defense to fill in around them.  
 

Protect and elevate Allen with the Top 64 picks.  

I would like to build the trenches...1 OL and 1 DL...hopefully we can upgrade Star’s position...

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