SoCal Deek Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I have absolutely no idea what you people are all talking about. The rules are established within our current system. If you don’t like them either change them or wait until it’s your turn in power because the pendulum swings both ways. The core of the problem, and so many others, is that Donald Trump won the presidency four years ago when the entire DC and media establishment KNEW that he didn’t stand a chance. They were all wrong! If they were honest brokers RBG would’ve retired when Obama was still President and the Comey Show would’ve never tried playing around with the election. Too bad! Screw them all....confirm ACB. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 43 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I have absolutely no idea what you people are all talking about. The rules are established within our current system. If you don’t like them either change them or wait until it’s your turn in power because the pendulum swings both ways. The core of the problem, and so many others, is that Donald Trump won the presidency four years ago when the entire DC and media establishment KNEW that he didn’t stand a chance. They were all wrong! If they were honest brokers RBG would’ve retired when Obama was still President and the Comey Show would’ve never tried playing around with the election. Too bad! Screw them all....confirm ACB. Exactly. Then when the pendulum swings back Dem as the polls and early voting are pointing to, change the rules by adding a couple more justices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 You guys are idiots... Biden isnt packing the court... could see Trump trying.... Biden is to much of a traditionalist to go down that route.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: Exactly. Then when the pendulum swings back Dem as the polls and early voting are pointing to, change the rules by adding a couple more justices. So when the pendulum swings back again add even more. Let's get to 57 justices. 4 minutes ago, North Buffalo said: You guys are idiots... Biden isnt packing the court... could see Trump trying.... Biden is to much of a traditionalist to go down that route.. You may be right, but Kamala? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 What is the issue here? Rs are in charge, they can do as they please, within the rules, including changing some rules. If and when the Ds are in charge, they can do as they please, same rules apply. Seems simple to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said: So when the pendulum swings back again add even more. Let's get to 57 justices. Sure, who knows when that will be. Texas may not go blue this year but the demographics are changing and will be blue soon. A blue Texas would change the electoral college math for a long time. We won't see any changes with governors this year, but as the Dems get more.local control, and judges are starting to fight against racist gerrymandering, we will see fairer districts in states as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 She's qualified to sit on the bench. I am sure I won't agree with some of her decisions, much like I don't agree with some liberal justice opinions, but there's really no questioning her qualifications. Regarding the packing stuff, McConnell was ridiculous on what they did with Garland, and two faced with this nomination. f I were Biden, I would say something to this effect when asked the question: The Republican Senate claims that the people spoke about what they want for the court when they elected a Republican Senate in 2016 and 2018. If the democrats take control of the Senate this election, as well as the Executive branch, and also continue to hold the House, would it not be evidence of the people's will in terms of what they want for the judiciary? I am not a proponent of adding justices to the court, but in our representative democracy the will of the people must be heard just as Mr McConnell and his colleagues have stated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 29 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: She's qualified to sit on the bench. I am sure I won't agree with some of her decisions, much like I don't agree with some liberal justice opinions, but there's really no questioning her qualifications. Regarding the packing stuff, McConnell was ridiculous on what they did with Garland, and two faced with this nomination. f I were Biden, I would say something to this effect when asked the question: The Republican Senate claims that the people spoke about what they want for the court when they elected a Republican Senate in 2016 and 2018. If the democrats take control of the Senate this election, as well as the Executive branch, and also continue to hold the House, would it not be evidence of the people's will in terms of what they want for the judiciary? I am not a proponent of adding justices to the court, but in our representative democracy the will of the people must be heard just as Mr McConnell and his colleagues have stated. Excellent comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 32 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Regarding the packing stuff, McConnell was ridiculous on what they did with Garland, and two faced with this nomination. f I were Biden, I would say something to this effect when asked the question: Biden can't say much, because it was HIS suggestion McConnell followed. They were calling it the 'Biden Rule' in 2016 for a reason - it was his brainchild back when he was the head of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Keep this in mind people: The American people have their voice in the House of Representatives, the states have their voice in the Senate while the administration executes the laws passed by the House and Senate. The SCOTUS rules on the constitutionality of the laws by Congress and the actions by the Executive branch. Nowhere is the Supreme Court a voice of the people. The people have their voice through their representative and by amending the Constitution. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said: So when the pendulum swings back again add even more. Let's get to 57 justices. match the # of states Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Backintheday544 said: Sure, who knows when that will be. Texas may not go blue this year but the demographics are changing and will be blue soon. A blue Texas would change the electoral college math for a long time. We won't see any changes with governors this year, but as the Dems get more.local control, and judges are starting to fight against racist gerrymandering, we will see fairer districts in states as well. And when the pendulum does swing back, will court packing be a bad idea again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 18 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Keep this in mind people: The American people have their voice in the House of Representatives, the states have their voice in the Senate while the administration executes the laws passed by the House and Senate. The SCOTUS rules on the constitutionality of the laws by Congress and the actions by the Executive branch. Nowhere is the Supreme Court a voice of the people. The people have their voice through their representative and by amending the Constitution. Republicans should have kept this in mind with Garland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: And when the pendulum does swing back, will court packing be a bad idea again? If it's within the rules and represents the voice of Americans, then yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, Backintheday544 said: If it's within the rules and represents the voice of Americans, then yes. Not sure I'm following. If Biden wins and pursues court packing you support that, correct? My question is when the pendulum swings back to republican control would you continue to support court packing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, BillsFanNC said: Not sure I'm following. If Biden wins and pursues court packing you support that, correct? My question is when the pendulum swings back to republican control would you continue to support court packing? Yes I would be fine with it as long as it's within whatever rules exist at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 11 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: The Republicans should fill this seat. It's in the Constitution that they can. However, it also was that Garland should have been brought to the Senate. Republicans betrayed that. They're going back on their word now. Lindsey Grahams spine looks worse than Daks foot. I didn't say how the amendment process works, I just said start the process. Give those.700,000 US citizens taxation with representation. 10 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: As with "court packing," there would be nothing unconstitutional about creating a state out of most of the District of Columbia. The constitution establishes a federal district, which initially included Arlington, Virginia, which was ceded back to the State of Virginia later on. My favored solution to enfranchise DC residents would be to cede much of the District to Maryland. But that won't happen -- it would disrupt political interests within Maryland, and -- let's be honest -- wouldn't accomplish the goal of getting 2 more Democratic senators. But the plans do not run afoul of the Constitution. It's a political issue, and it will be settled at the ballot box next month. First, I don't buy into the narrative of no representation. DC is most certainly represented by 435 Representatives, and 100 Senators. 30% of their revenue is provided by that Congress as Federal Funds as well. It must even be noted that over half that DC population of 700 thousand are actually there as federal employees and not necessarily native residents. At the writing of the Constitution, land was carved out of Virginia and Maryland to create the District of Columbia. Since that time, their portion has been given back to Virginia. So if they indeed want their own representation instead of sharing with the 50 states then return that portion the the state of Maryland since it would only be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Backintheday544 said: Yes I would be fine with it as long as it's within whatever rules exist at that time. And you don't see any problem with that concept in terms of separation of powers among the branches of government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 15 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: - supported an argument in the Supreme Court that it must be invalidated because the individual mandate exceeded federal powers - lost that argument when Chief Justice Roberts reconceptualized the mandate as a valid "tax" https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/obama-in-2009-its-not-a-tax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Republicans should have kept this in mind with Garland Reid did it first. Democrats were warned what would happen. They're being warned again about packing the court. If the Dems do it, it will mark the end of America; permanently destroying a branch of the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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