Presidential Debates 2020

[Putin]

On 9/7/2020 at 7:50 PM, JaCrispy said:

Thank God no CNN moderators...those people are unhinged...lol

Wallace was a wolf in cheep clothes , what a piece of sh!t 

[Buffalo_Gal]

30 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

I like the full transcript. Better than the ... one I used. Thank you, @B-Man for posting this!

 

[snafu]

24 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Part of that determined effort is voters better funding challengers.  Incumbents in house and senate races almost always enjoy big funding advantages.  The hard reality is it's really expensive to mount a winning campaign against incumbents.

 

It is also easier for party bosses to keep the ball rolling with incumbents than to fluff up new blood.

Incumbency is a big problem and has been for years.  Another thing to look at is to get rid of plum committe chair appointments just because of seniority.

10 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

I don’t understand how anyone can look at our government, which has steadily grown in size and scope since day one, power becoming more centralized and more absolute; realize that it has become this way through a democratic republican system; and think that it can be solved at the ballot box.

 

Government doesn’t shrink, and you can’t solve problems created by government with more government.

 

Government should shrink down to a nub, though that’s a pipe dream.

I am torn on, but leaning more toward more multi-party participation to decentralize power, too.

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, section122 said:

 

I keep seeing this in the thread but I don't seen any of you acknowledge Trumps complete lack of tact and many attempts to speak over Biden and interrupting at every chance. The moderator had no choice but to continuously jump in to stop Trump from interrupting.  Trump didn't hit his stride until he stopped doing that imo.

He started it!

 

This is where we are in America today 

I’m not sure what you’re looking for exists, nor really should.  
 

Absent any prior relationship or interaction between the two, it would be fair to say that Biden interrupted Trump and was allowed to do so by the moderator.  As the event went on Trump interrupted Biden more than Biden interrupted Trump, and most reasonable viewers got a sense that the moderator was more aggressively corralling Trump than Biden.  At the same time, Biden was certainly much more aggressive with respect to disparaging comments, appearing to come at least slightly unhinged and telling Trump to shut up etc. 

 

I’ve said before and will again—Biden has built a career on aggressive confrontation with those who challenge him—from debates where’s he interiors and mocks, to voters, to soldiers, to reporters and young women.  His base revels in that, they embrace it and think nothing of it.  Most times Biden gets away with it because he’s a very powerful guy, no one from the MSM, his party or his base questions him on it.  

Biden is and has always been a blowhard and a bully.  It’s why he was rejected by sensible Dem voters back when they care about such things. 
 

Trump knows who Biden is, his tactics, his tendency for gaffes and racially insensitive comments, and met him at the opening bell and swung hard and often.  For all the talk about Trump being aggressive with Biden, all he did was act like Biden. 
 

I think Trump also knows that moderators typically lean left, knew where this was likely to go and forged ahead.  Wallace was ridiculed from all sides today, from overly sensitive to Biden and overly gracious to Trump, to weak and biased.   So, that side of the story become much ado about Wallace, and as time goes on people will move on. 
 

Finally, from Trumps perspective, Biden  is the enemy.  He had a seat at the table with Obama as they set about to destroy Trump and his family with absurd allegations and innuendo.   He was knuckles deep in the Russia hoax, and he has no respect for Biden at all. 

So, no respect for an opponent who has a history of aggressive and confrontational behavior, and little respect for the moderator. 
 

I prefer a kinder and gentler interaction, but you reap what you sow. 

[Taraka]

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/r...d-a9630830b009

Russia Could Never Discredit The US Empire The Way These Guys Just Did
Caitlin Johnstone

Sep 30 · 4 min read

Well.

Wow.

I mean, wow.

So in case you missed it, the first US presidential debate was everything the US empire deserves and a fair reflection of everything the US empire is.

If Vladimir Putin were every bit the election-meddling demon the Democrats say he is, and if he had unlimited time and unlimited resources to create the perfect ninety-minute propaganda video to discredit the US-led unipolar world order, he could not have designed one more effective than the performance that was just delivered by President Donald Trump and Democratic nominee Joe Biden with the help of moderator Chris Wallace.

I mean, it had everything. Both candidates yelling over each other the entire time, Biden telling the sitting president of the United States to shut up on live television, Trump at one point saying the Proud Boys should “stand back and stand by”, Chris Wallace literally shouting to be heard over the unceasing interruptions, Biden getting confused and arguing that the Green New Deal would pay for itself and then turning around saying he does not support the Green New Deal, mountains of lies and nonsense, both candidates trying to out-right wing each other, and absolutely no meaningful discussion of policies that will actually help ordinary Americans at all.

It was crazier than any of Trump’s debates in 2016. It was crazier than any presidential debate that has ever happened. You seriously could not have designed a more perfect display to do everything we’ve been told for years that Russian propagandists are trying to do: depress the vote, encourage support for third parties, weaken public trust in America’s institutions, and humiliate the United States on the world stage.
The world is going to be talking about this for a while now. Clips from this debate are going to share widely all across the planet. It will be translated in many languages. Articles will be written about it for days. And people who’d never thought to question whether this is the government that should be leading the world into the future are suddenly going to find themselves contemplating that question.
And hopefully the next one will be even worse.

It is good for the US empire to invalidate itself in this way. The government that has encircled the planet with hundreds of military bases and snuffed out millions of human lives while displacing tens of millions since 9/11 in military interventions that were based on lies, which sanctions, sabotages and destroys any nation which dares to disobey its dictates, and which is escalating world-threatening cold war aggressions against not one but two nuclear-armed nations is not a government that should have any control over humanity’s collective future.

The uglier a face that appears on this murderous empire, the better it will be for everybody. In a government that is intrinsically evil and destructive from root to flower, an attractive face with competent management is the last thing anyone should want.
It doesn’t matter who won this accidental Kremlin propaganda performance of a debate. It doesn’t even matter who wins the election; the most evil aspects of the US government will continue unhindered regardless of which oligarchic puppet wins in November. What does matter is that the dark, ugly aspects of global power that people had previously not noticed are being drawn into the spotlight and seen by everybody. 2020 seems to be a good year for that.

If the imperialists who run things have any sense they will find a way to cancel future debates in the name of national security, because they’re the ones who will be worst affected by them. Here’s hoping they don’t, though.

1 hour ago, Alaska Darin said:

Mostly because of who makes the rules.

so PPP now has its own moderator.  How wonderful a job that must be. 

[Taraka]

42 minutes ago, Putin said:

Wallace was a wolf in cheep clothes , what a piece of sh!t 

Wallace was in a No win situation with 2 "debaters" neither willing to obey the rules of civil debate  and have enough respect for their opponent . Forget debate process most importantly they failed the American people to participate in a fruitful way. So what if in its aftermath its America who loses. What a couple of losers one of which we are about to elect. Biden called "weak" Trump a "Bully" Stalemate of mediocrity **limp clap** Congratulations Men you both suck. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

3 minutes ago, ~Kostabi~ said:

Wallace was in a No win situation with 2 "debaters" neither willing to obey the rules of civil debate  and have enough respect for their opponent . Forget debate process most importantly they failed the American people to participate in a fruitful way. So what if in its aftermath its America who loses. What a couple of losers one of which we are about to elect. Biden called "weak" Trump a "Bully" Stalemate of mediocrity **limp clap** Congratulations Men you both suck. 

I thought Trump clearly beat Wallace in the debate.
 

And the other guy too,  the old dude.



(stolen, but it really encapsulates last night in just a few words)



 

[Putin]

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[Buffalo_Gal]

And this because, well...

 

 

 disclaimer, he claims it is photoshopped, but 🤷‍♂️

 

 

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

I like Presidents who don’t embolden white supremacists.

[Alaska Darin]

52 minutes ago, ~Kostabi~ said:

so PPP now has its own moderator.  How wonderful a job that must be. 

Uh...I was referring to incumbent Democrats and Republicans who continue to stack the deck for themselves. 

 

I've been a moderator on this board for pretty much as long as it's been around. It's not exactly a challenging deal.

[BillStime]

8 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Case in point  

Time for Biden to go NUCLEAR - wasn’t that the classy term you used the night RBG died?

 

Charlottesville
Central Park 5
Birtherism 

 

And so on:

Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020

 

Edited October 1, 2020 by BillStime

[BillStime]

Fact checking DQT

 

 

[keepthefaith]

1 hour ago, snafu said:

 

It is also easier for party bosses to keep the ball rolling with incumbents than to fluff up new blood.

Incumbency is a big problem and has been for years.  Another thing to look at is to get rid of plum committe chair appointments just because of seniority.

 

Government should shrink down to a nub, though that’s a pipe dream.

I am torn on, but leaning more toward more multi-party participation to decentralize power, too.

 

 

 

Term limits would be a good step.  Fat chance of that happening. 

[Hedge]

 

 

[Teddy KGB]

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

First impressions - for the undecided and those in the Republican party in doubt. 

 

 

https://news.yahoo.com/trumpworld-worried-amid-debate-performance-220600606.html

 

Trumpworld 'worried' amid debate performance fallout

WASHINGTON — Some of President Donald Trump's allies said after his chaotic first debate that he had squandered one of his last opportunities to change the dynamics of a race in which he has long trailed by diverting from the strategy his team had laid out, coming off as mean and angry rather than confident and in command.

 

Advisers say Trump missed repeated chances to deal blows to Democratic nominee Joe Biden in areas they had prepped for, such as China and past comments Biden had made about race, while failing to lay out his own case for what a second term would look like. The mood around the campaign and the White House on Wednesday morning was described as "worried," "quiet" and "in shock," people familiar with the situation said.

 

"Trump lost one of the remaining opportunities he had to reshape the election and not walk into Election Day as the underdog," said a former White House official, who added a hopeful note: "But he walked into Election Day last time an underdog and won, so maybe he doesn't need to reshape the election."

 

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So, Agent Chaos can say he won.   He didn't 

[Dragoon]

11 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

First impressions - for the undecided and those in the Republican party in doubt. 

 

 

https://news.yahoo.com/trumpworld-worried-amid-debate-performance-220600606.html

 

Trumpworld 'worried' amid debate performance fallout

WASHINGTON — Some of President Donald Trump's allies said after his chaotic first debate that he had squandered one of his last opportunities to change the dynamics of a race in which he has long trailed by diverting from the strategy his team had laid out, coming off as mean and angry rather than confident and in command.

 

Advisers say Trump missed repeated chances to deal blows to Democratic nominee Joe Biden in areas they had prepped for, such as China and past comments Biden had made about race, while failing to lay out his own case for what a second term would look like. The mood around the campaign and the White House on Wednesday morning was described as "worried," "quiet" and "in shock," people familiar with the situation said.

 

"Trump lost one of the remaining opportunities he had to reshape the election and not walk into Election Day as the underdog," said a former White House official, who added a hopeful note: "But he walked into Election Day last time an underdog and won, so maybe he doesn't need to reshape the election."

 

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So, Agent Chaos can say he won.   He didn't 

Well...I know that if I want unbiased facts, CLEARLY Yahoo News, which pushes more HuffPost nonsense than any other site is clearly a great source for a balanced perspective. Good job. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

34 minutes ago, Dragoon said:

Well...I know that if I want unbiased facts, CLEARLY Yahoo News, which pushes more HuffPost nonsense than any other site is clearly a great source for a balanced perspective. Good job. 

 

LOL  you need to mock Yahoo? 

 

Let me educate you.

 

Yahoo is an Internet portal that incorporates a search engine and a directory of World Wide Web sites organized in a hierarchy of topic categories. As a directory, it provides both new and seasoned Web users the reassurance of a structured view of hundreds of thousands of Web sites and millions of Web pages.

 

It is NOT biased.   It links Right and Left stories.  

 

 

Do you prefer Google News or Bing News feeds?

Should I get my news from the radical Right websites? 

 

 

Edited October 1, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[LB3]

17 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

LOL  you need to mock Yahoo? 

 

Let me educate you.

 

Yahoo is an Internet portal that incorporates a search engine and a directory of World Wide Web sites organized in a hierarchy of topic categories. As a directory, it provides both new and seasoned Web users the reassurance of a structured view of hundreds of thousands of Web sites and millions of Web pages.

 

It is NOT biased.   It links Right and Left stories.  

 

 

Do you prefer Google News or Bing News feeds?

Should I get my news from the radical Right websites? 

 

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/yahoo-news/

 

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/yahoo-news-media-bias