Punching Bag Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 If there is a one week stoppage with NFL involved likely it will be a week rescheduled later in season perhaps eliminating playoff bye week push playoffs one week later. Pro-bowl would be moved post-Superbowl as it was before and as many fans have wanted. TV networks will get as many games and more playoffs will be held during sweeps month which will be appealing to those wanting to sell ads at higher rates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Goodbye racism! The NBA pretty much almost ended racism already, so this should definitely finish it off. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 25 minutes ago, K-9 said: Who would want to be on the opposing side of anti-racism messaging? If you want to simplify things, who would want to be on the side of killing innocent babies? Just as abortion can be a complex argument, so too is the BLM social justice messaging. Just about everyone in America is against racism so if that was what BLM actually stood for than it would not be an issue. The problem those on the other side of the BLM movement have is that it’s motives are much more than “ending systemic racism” but moving America toward socialism and defunding the police. The narratives of the shootings that are held up as examples of blatant racism are also chalk full of missing facts and extenuating circumstances. There is no context and some career criminals are being glorified for committing crimes, resisting arrest and then being shot and wounded or killed most often after threatening the lives of the officers. What the media and BLM movement wants us all to believe is that officers showed up on the scene where an innocent black man was fully cooperative with police and then still mowed down because of the color of their skin. It is this narrative that gets perpetuated and the victims are celebrated as heroes. This rubs some people including myself the wrong way so it certainly is not as simple as who is for racism. What I am for is taking a break from the narratives and just watching some sports but we can’t even get that anymore. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, K-9 said: Oh, I’m positive about that. The networks will never sue the owners to recover losses due to a player work stoppage. Indeed, there is language in the agreement that says owners still get paid by the networks, regardless. The competition among the networks to secure broadcasting rights is just too intense. If FOX, CBS, NBC, ESPN, etc., sue to recover lost revenue from a canceled game or two , they will simply not be invited back to the table in the next negotiation. Besides, as I implied earlier, it makes no business sense to risk huge future stakes over several future seasons for the sake of attempting to recover the much smaller lost revenues during a short term stoppage. I didnt know that, next negotiations the networks are sure as hell going to consider this. And the competition among the Networks have been intense TOO DATE but things change. Who would have predicted the salary cap would decrease this year, very few, almost universally it was expected to keep going up. Networks aren't stupid and aren't charities, if they perceive risk to a players stoppage you can bet anything they will adjust DOWN their bids. You might want to also look at the profitability of the networks, not good. Technology is rapidly evolving and changing the business model. ESPN viewership is way down, and things arent getting any better. Since the return of basketball the ratings have been in a steady decline according to Forbes. A recent Harris poll had 39% of respondents said they are watching fewer games, 32% said more and 28% about the same. Of those watching less, 39% said the NBA has gotten too political, 19% because of the NBA-Chinese connection and 28% said it was boring without fans. 1 minute ago, racketmaster said: If you want to simplify things, who would want to be on the side of killing innocent babies? Just as abortion can be a complex argument, so too is the BLM social justice messaging. Just about everyone in America is against racism so if that was what BLM actually stood for than it would not be an issue. The problem those on the other side of the BLM movement have is that it’s motives are much more than “ending systemic racism” but moving America toward socialism and defunding the police. The narratives of the shootings that are held up as examples of blatant racism are also chalk full of missing facts and extenuating circumstances. There is no context and some career criminals are being glorified for committing crimes, resisting arrest and then being shot and wounded or killed most often after threatening the lives of the officers. What the media and BLM movement wants us all to believe is that officers showed up on the scene where an innocent black man was fully cooperative with police and then still mowed down because of the color of their skin. It is this narrative that gets perpetuated and the victims are celebrated as heroes. This rubs some people including myself the wrong way so it certainly is not as simple as who is for racism. What I am for is taking a break from the narratives and just watching some sports but we can’t even get that anymore. That is where I am at, sports is entertainment, if I want to hear about societal problems I will watch the news. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Why would they need to do that? the NBA solved Racism by having millionaires take a single day off... did you know that only 20% of NBA players are registers to vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 I feel like people are conflating being against a wildcat strike with being against social justice. Skipping a week of football does nothing to solve any problem, it's just stroking the egos of millionaires to make them feel better. Anyone who wants to make a difference to any cause should donate and get involved in their community to band together and actually help solve issues. This is false activism and the only community it serves is the NFLPA so people can give them credit for being woke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, racketmaster said: If you want to simplify things, who would want to be on the side of killing innocent babies? Just as abortion can be a complex argument, so too is the BLM social justice messaging. Just about everyone in America is against racism so if that was what BLM actually stood for than it would not be an issue. The problem those on the other side of the BLM movement have is that it’s motives are much more than “ending systemic racism” but moving America toward socialism and defunding the police. The narratives of the shootings that are held up as examples of blatant racism are also chalk full of missing facts and extenuating circumstances. There is no context and some career criminals are being glorified for committing crimes, resisting arrest and then being shot and wounded or killed most often after threatening the lives of the officers. What the media and BLM movement wants us all to believe is that officers showed up on the scene where an innocent black man was fully cooperative with police and then still mowed down because of the color of their skin. It is this narrative that gets perpetuated and the victims are celebrated as heroes. This rubs some people including myself the wrong way so it certainly is not as simple as who is for racism. What I am for is taking a break from the narratives and just watching some sports but we can’t even get that anymore. So, BLM, the organization, is the be all, end all authority on the issue of racism? BLM the organization and what it advocates are simply not the same as the more wide spread anti racist movement. While the founders of the BLM organization may have coined the phrase, “black lives matter”, it has since come to be used by a much broader anti racist movement. I find the comparison to the abortion issue lacking on several levels, but I appreciate your response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 30 minutes ago, K-9 said: So, BLM, the organization, is the be all, end all authority on the issue of racism? BLM the organization and what it advocates are simply not the same as the more wide spread anti racist movement. While the founders of the BLM organization may have coined the phrase, “black lives matter”, it has since come to be used by a much broader anti racist movement. I find the comparison to the abortion issue lacking on several levels, but I appreciate your response. I would hope that BLM is not the be all end all authority but at present they certainly have the loudest voice and have been found on the Bills stadium billboard and is talked about being shown on the field. My only point is that many including myself consider BLM a political organization and with that really has no place being on the field, billboards or uniforms. I have no issue with simple phrases like end racism or treat all peoples equals. They are just generic terms most everyone can get behind, like cure cancer. Also, when honoring specific victims of police violence, I’d prefer to honor persons that were innocent not those hyped up on substances and fighting and resisting police officers. And I’m not saying that they deserved to die, I’m just saying that I can pretty much guarantee you they would all be alive and well today had they not made a series of bad choices that are generally left out of the narratives when celebrating these individuals. Can’t we just find some real heroes that have been working to build bridges in their communities and better community police relations to honor? That’s something we can all get behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 On 9/2/2020 at 11:05 AM, Jdragon2 said: lol, didnt you, or others with this same mindset, say the same thing about kneeling, allowing shoes to be designed by players, letting players voice their social justice concerns, and any other multitude of things that mean players have a brain and can think for themselves? The league will be fine, but by all means boycott the league.... you need them far more then they need you. You hit the nail on the head. When I learned the NFL was allowing players to design their own shoes, I couldn’t believe my ears and had to take a week off from work. I haven’t been to a game since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 what would happen if you boycotted working for your cause? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, mattynh said: what would happen if you boycotted working for your cause? Depends on the employer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, mattynh said: what would happen if you boycotted working for your cause? What would happen if you tackled one of your coworkers? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: What would happen if you tackled one of your coworkers? When its part of the job description, nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: What would happen if you tackled one of your coworkers? NFL is different. Players do things with recorded visual evidence which would be considered assault or assault with a weapon (i.e. Helmet, metal brace) off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 3 hours ago, K-9 said: Oh, I’m positive about that. The networks will never sue the owners to recover losses due to a player work stoppage. Indeed, there is language in the agreement that says owners still get paid by the networks, regardless. The competition among the networks to secure broadcasting rights is just too intense. If FOX, CBS, NBC, ESPN, etc., sue to recover lost revenue from a canceled game or two , they will simply not be invited back to the table in the next negotiation. Besides, as I implied earlier, it makes no business sense to risk huge future stakes over several future seasons for the sake of attempting to recover the much smaller lost revenues during a short term stoppage. Language/provision for a player strike I guarantee is in every network/NFL contract, so no need for suing. Plus the players aren’t “striking”. The games will be played. It’s a show/demonstration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 On 9/2/2020 at 11:01 AM, Buffalo619 said: This will be the end of the NFL. Sad. Politics and Football don’t mix. Ego will ruined the league. Sorry you’re so triggered. My thoughts and prayers etc lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 On 9/2/2020 at 10:39 PM, Beast said: I don’t mean to be an ass but all I can do is laugh at this line of thinking. Anyone that thinks a law enforcement officer, when faced with the decision of using deadly force against a minority, or a non-minority, is going to be thinking what sort of effect this will have on what athletes may or may not do concerning playing games,...well, that isn’t going to happen because that will be one of the furthest things from his or her mind when making the decision to pull the trigger or not to. About the only thing that can be done to prevent the death on an innocent person is to take firearms away from 800,000 officers in this country. All I'm saying is that delaying a scheduled game does nothing. There's a lot of money that could be lost by networks that do have a voice in lobbying among politicians. A full on strike by all black athletes could push this hand.. I can't say this for certain, but basically the single game postponing is laughable IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 18 hours ago, K-9 said: Who would want to be on the opposing side of anti-racism messaging? Yeah, I don’t really get what the opposite side of this is. Pro racism? And while I do get some of the I don’t want politics in sports argument (my ex’s dad was like that and he was just a great dude who was sick of all political bs), politics has always been a part of sports. these guys have the highest platform to bring awareness to problems in their communities. The easy thing for them is to not say a word and make millions of dollars. 16 hours ago, mattynh said: what would happen if you boycotted working for your cause? I love it when people compare their occupations to a billionaire dollar industry where the workerS get to the top 1% of their profession solely based on merit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 16 hours ago, mattynh said: what would happen if you boycotted working for your cause? you can't compare your job to that of a professional athlete. You can be replaced much easier and company probably won't miss you. Seahawks won't cut Russell Wilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yeah, I don’t really get what the opposite side of this is. Pro racism? And while I do get some of the I don’t want politics in sports argument (my ex’s dad was like that and he was just a great dude who was sick of all political bs), politics has always been a part of sports. these guys have the highest platform to bring awareness to problems in their communities. The easy thing for them is to not say a word and make millions of dollars. I love it when people compare their occupations to a billionaire dollar industry where the workerS get to the top 1% of their profession solely based on merit. I agree that athletes have a higher platform than most but with that also comes some greater responsibility and if they decide to speak out they should also be fully informed and not create unnecessary panic like LeBron continually stating any of the recent victims from police could be him. Umm, yeah it could be you LeBron if you decide to rob a store, get hyped up on drugs or alcohol and begin to resist arrest or actively fight with police when they arrive to arrest you. I’m not saying they deserved to die and in some of the situations the police could have done things better but I also find these hindsight arguments lack any context or perspective from the law enforcement side. Lets take the recent Atlanta shooting where all we saw in beginning was police shooting a black man in the back while he was running away with a taser gun that he was turning around to fire at officers. Ok, looks like they could have done something different and shooting seems needless. But then the full video and details come out and victim is wanted on warrant for violating probation, victim is clearly intoxicated and does not want to go back to jail, officers try talking with him to gain cooperation over a period of 15-20 minutes before they decide to try and place him in custody and victim goes full mma fight with the 2 officers throwing haymakers and managing to get the taser gun off one of the officers before running away and then turning back to shoot. There are a number of points in which this victim could have chose a different path but he kept making decisions that put him and the officers at risk. It is dark, after struggling with the victim and seeing him take off with a gun, the officer may have had enough. Anybody that has just been in a fight will tell you there is a little extra adrenaline running though you and maybe the officer overreacted on that adrenaline. This is a case that has a lot of nuance to it just like just about every single one of the high profile cases of late. I feel bad for all parties involved but the victim made a series of bad decisions and I have a hard time seeing the league celebrate he and others like Blake who was wanted on felony sexual assault for sexually assaulting a female for a second time. So, yes just about everybody is against racism and if the message from the NFL was “Treat everyone as equals”, “Let’s all come together as one” or some better phrases similar to that then we are all on board. But BLM phrases are political and socialist organizations that I don’t want to see promoted during a Bills game and the victims being celebrated I have a hard time celebrating because their backgrounds and actions show a lot of poor and criminal decisions (Taylor is a separate case but also very nuanced and she was tied closely to a wanted drug dealer-needless to say she was not murdered by police while sleeping in her bed but her case does raise serious questions about the no knock police raids and hopefully results in some changes there) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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