BillsFanNC Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 I have to add. It’s confusing keeping track of all of these things the President likes to characterize as a hoax. The “hoax real” and “hoax fake” thing is tough to wrap my head around. But this is the world in which we live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Did Trump replace that PPE before COVID-19? And complaining about the absence of such PPE sort of acknowledges that, maybe, perhaps, COVID-19 is not a hoax. If that’s the case, it also begs the question why the primary tools used to combat this pandemic were magic, lies, and untested medicinal uses of everyday household cleaners. Also, for what it’s worth, I have contributed CDC data to this discussion. You have contributed merely your opinion, which, together with $1, will get me the coffee that is the subject of that run. Our concern right now rests with hoaxes real (COVID-19, which is not a hoax) and hoaxes fake (Mass death Caused by communist arsonists in the 2020 United States, which, in the absence of data to the contrary, actually is a hoax). Please post data supporting your position or keep what otherwise will be considered your conspiracy theories out of this fact-based discussion. Those we're all facts, not the bullcrap you post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 14 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: We’re aware of your antipathy for President Obama, and your agreement with the opinion of Mr. Bognino. Do you have an opinion as to the “hoax-based casualty” issue in discussion here? If not, please refrain from distracting those on this forum who have interest in an honest, candid discussion about about this very important question. Don't you think it is the height of ridiculousness to accuse others of not wanting to have a serious discussion with you when your go-to response is "hoax" or "fake news"? If you acted this way in court (if you ever get a chance) you'd be held in contempt. When you act this way here you are just thought of as contemptible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, bilzfancy said: Those we're all facts, not the bullcrap you post I see no support for those things that “we’re” facts. And my “bullcrap” is supported by CDC data. Unlike, I note, your position with respect to the COVID-19 casualty count. Continue discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 It will be over the day after the election 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, 3rdnlng said: Don't you think it is the height of ridiculousness to accuse others of not wanting to have a serious discussion with you when your go-to response is "hoax" or "fake news"? If you acted this way in court (if you ever get a chance) you'd be held in contempt. When you act this way here you are just thought of as contemptible. You seem to know a lot about court. Interesting, but a discussion or another day. Let’s stay on topic here. COVID-19 is not a hoax and has a very high casualty right (approximately eight times the casualty rate of 9/11 and more, if I recall correctly, than all casualties in all wars that this nation has fought since 1945). Mass death attributable to communist arsonists in American cities in 2020, however, is a hoax. Continue discussion. Just now, wAcKy ZeBrA said: It will be over the day after the election I think about a week. We won’t know who won for awhile, but I agree with you. Truth will return to the White House soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SectionC3 Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, BillsFanNC said: That’s a different hoax. We’re talking about COVID-19 (not a hoax) and communist arsonist mass casualties (an actual hoax) here. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, BillsFanNC said: Proof that there is a new math afloat: "Jobs" is a three letter word---attributed to Joe Biden, who doesn't know when he said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 “It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that this can’t happen again, they don’t have to go back to 1918, they just have to go back to 2009, 2010, and imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that.” - Ron Klain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, Doc said: “It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that this can’t happen again, they don’t have to go back to 1918, they just have to go back to 2009, 2010, and imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that.” - Ron Klain 1968-69 over 100,000 died from the Hong Kong flu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Doc said: “It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that this can’t happen again, they don’t have to go back to 1918, they just have to go back to 2009, 2010, and imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that.” - Ron Klain So you agree that COVID-19 is not a hoax? Do you also acknowledge that communist arsonist mass casualties are a hoax? (And, to the extent it provides fertile ground for discussion, your quote misses the point. Doing things “right” obviously would have reduced casualties. Otherwise there would be no point in briefings, exploration of reasonable treatments, PPE dispersal, social distancing, and vaccines, among other things. We would simply have gone about our business and accepted our fate, whatever “luck” dictated it may have been. Consequently, the notion that the mass casualties caused by COVID-19 could not have been mitigated by prompt and effective federal action is . . . a hoax.) 1 minute ago, bilzfancy said: 1968-69 over 100,000 died from the Hong Kong flu Eyes on the prize here. COVID-19 is not a hoax, correct? And communist arsonist mass casualties are a hoax, correct? Edited August 31, 2020 by SectionC3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: That’s a different hoax. We’re talking about COVID-19 (not a hoax) and communist arsonist mass casualties (an actual hoax) here. Carry on. No one here or President Trump ever claimed that Covid-19 in itself was a hoax. It was the media's lies surrounding it that were called a hoax. You know that though but are one of those liar attorneys* that use whatever is in your arsenal and then think you are winning. Antifa, a communist organization (along with its brother organization BLM) has caused several deaths and terrible destruction in many U.S. cities this year. For you to argue against it here is one of the reason you are considered contemptible. *Not you Koko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Hmmm.... 13 out of 34 posts by the OP. BillStime evil twin? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: No one here or President Trump ever claimed that Covid-19 in itself was a hoax. It was the media's lies surrounding it that were called a hoax. You know that though but are one of those liar attorneys* that use whatever is in your arsenal and then think you are winning. Antifa, a communist organization (along with its brother organization BLM) has caused several deaths and terrible destruction in many U.S. cities this year. For you to argue against it here is one of the reason you are considered contemptible. *Not you Koko He actually believes there's no riots, burning or looting going on, that it's all a hoax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: No one here or President Trump ever claimed that Covid-19 in itself was a hoax. It was the media's lies surrounding it that were called a hoax. You know that though but are one of those liar attorneys* that use whatever is in your arsenal and then think you are winning. Antifa, a communist organization (along with its brother organization BLM) has caused several deaths and terrible destruction in many U.S. cities this year. For you to argue against it here is one of the reason you are considered contemptible. *Not you Koko Hmmm. Seems pretty hoaxy to me. If I may, the semantical gymnastics in which you engage to avoid the conclusion that Trump believed COVID-19 to be a hoax are undermined by the lack of care and attention he paid to the issue in its early stages (e.g., attempting to wish the problem away [“15 cases, soon to be zero” is a particularly damning quote] and speculating that magic might solve the problem [One day it will just “magically disappear”]). Now, nobody disagrees that this amorphous Antifa organization and any related organizations shouldn’t go around killing anyone. If they or their members have killed anyone, that is wrong. The point here is that there is a myopic focus on perhaps, at most, a handful of Antifa/BLM/communist arsonist deaths, and blithe ignorance of the nearly 200,000 deaths caused by COVID-19. Surely some of those deaths could not have been avoided even had the best of precautions been taken. But surely there is a massive number of needless deaths that can be attributed to federal inaction and ignorance. That point underlines this thread, and your reasonable, non-hoaxy comments on the merits would be appreciated. 20 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: He actually believes there's no riots, burning or looting going on, that it's all a hoax Looked out the window this morning and things are copacetic in this democrat-run city. At least insofar as nothing is ablaze. But we remain mired in a pandemic, which is a much greater threat to life and property than is a contrived concern with respect to communist arsonists. Continue discussion. Edited August 31, 2020 by SectionC3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Discuss... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32849666/ Quote To date the pathophysiology of COVID-19 remains unclear: this represents a factor determining the current lack of effective treatments. In this paper, we hypothesized a complex host response to SARS-CoV-2, with the Contact System (CS) playing a pivotal role in innate immune response. CS is linked with different proteolytic defense systems operating in human vasculature: the Kallikrein-Kinin (KKS), the Coagulation/Fibrinolysis and the Renin-Angiotensin (RAS) Systems. We investigated the role of the mediators involved. CS consists of Factor XII (FXII) and plasma prekallikrein (complexed to high-molecular-weight kininogen-HK). Autoactivation of FXII by contact with SARS-CoV-2 could lead to activation of intrinsic coagulation, with fibrin formation (microthrombosis), and fibrinolysis, resulting in increased D-dimer levels. Activation of kallikrein by activated FXII leads to production of bradykinin (BK) from HK. BK binds to B2-receptors, mediating vascular permeability, vasodilation and edema. B1-receptors, binding the metabolite [des-Arg9]-BK (DABK), are up-regulated during infections and mediate lung inflammatory responses. BK could play a relevant role in COVID-19 as already described for other viral models. Angiotensin-Converting-Enzyme (ACE) 2 displays lung protective effects: it inactivates DABK and converts Angiotensin II (Ang II) into Angiotensin-(1-7) and Angiotensin I into Angiotensin-(1-9). SARS-CoV-2 binds to ACE2 for cell entry, downregulating it: an impaired DABK inactivation could lead to an enhanced activity of B1-receptors, and the accumulation of Ang II, through a negative feedback loop, may result in decreased ACE activity, with consequent increase of BK. Therapies targeting the CS, the KKS and action of BK could be effective for the treatment of COVID-19. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32810840/ Quote Background: Serological assays for the determination of the immune status of patients that have tested positive for infection with SARS-CoV-2 by RT-PCR are required for, e.g., contact tracing and epidemiological studies. However, data concerning the performance parameters of commercially available high-throughput ELISA tests are still not available on a large scale. Study design: In our study, we have evaluated an in-house developed ELISA for the detection of the immunoglobulin classes A, G and M directed against the full-length spike glycoprotein from SARS-CoV-2. For this analysis, we have included 110 sera from patients presenting with COVID-19 symptoms or blood donors without symptoms collected at the Austrian Red Cross, Blood Transfusion Service for Upper Austria, Linz. In addition, we have selected four commercially available IgG-based ELISAs as well as one IgA/IgG-based ELISA for the detection of SARS-CoV-2 antigens as well as a multiplexed IgG-based micro-ELISA assay developed for rapid Point of Care testing applications. Conclusions: All assays evaluated in the course of this study demonstrated suitable sensitivity and specificity values for the identification of patients that have experienced a past infection with SARS-CoV-2. However, testing for the presence of additional immunoglobulins (IgA and IgM) as well as using combinations of different viral antigens is highly advised to improve the predictive values of serological assays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Discuss... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32849666/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32810840/ Inquiries irrelevant to the hoax questions before us. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 19 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: the media's lies surrounding it that were called a hoax Yet you cannot quote one of these "lies" can you, 3th thing? The media warned the virus could be bad. Trump: "HOAX!!!!!!!!!!" Trump Supporters: "Trump called the media's handling of the virus a hoax, not the virus itself!!!" 3th thing: DUR I LOVE TRUMP DUR CHECK OUT MY AVATAR IT'S NOT OFFENSIVE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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